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 AA in limit HE, sholin, 14. May 2003 05:15 | ||
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| I'd like to raise/reraise a discussion on playing AA PF in limit HE. I know that the prevailing thought on playing AA is to raise most of the time PFand narrow the field. Certaily you win more often this way, but what about slow playing? You play against more people, so you will win less often, but bigger pots. I'm wondering which way you stand to win more in the long run? Any thoughts/research? | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, Piers Majestyk, 14. May 2003 05:25 | ||
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| I don't think you do much wrong by just raising everytime. The one time that I vary from this is when I am in very early position and there are a couple of players who raise frequently in late position, I will then call and reraise given the opportunity to trap everyone for 3 bets if they wish to play.. | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, shorn, 14. May 2003 05:47 | ||
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| I agree with Piers. The general idea to winning poker is to get your money in when you have the best of it, and it doesn;t get any better than pocket rockets preflop. However, in the situation that he mentioned (UTG or EP with aggressive folks to your left), limoing and then re-raising is a good way to vary your play. Limping with AA is a much more appropriate strategy in NL and PL where you can trap a player for their whole stack, especially from EP. | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, TKarrde, 14. May 2003 06:30 | ||
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| I would normally raise. But if I decided to slow play it would only be in early position. If you are in late position or one of the blinds, you can easily raise knowing that everyone that limped in will call the raise. TK | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, stdioh, 14. May 2003 07:31 | ||
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| Slowplaying with AA is something that I will generally only do for one of two reasons. 1) there are few people in the hand and I am in a tight rocky game...the field will be thin nomatter what 2) there is a maniac to play after me and he'll raise just about anything...I want to limp-reraise...if I don't get a chance to, then I've just slowplayed my aces. Think of this too, if you have 6 people in the hand each paying one bet, the pot is the same size as if you have 3 people in the hand each paying two bets. Now if you are up against 3 your aces have a much better chance of winning than if you are up against 6. Put enough people in there and somebody's going to hit something. Why would you want to turn your aces into a drawing hand and be hoping to spike a set? | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, noiseboy, 14. May 2003 08:59 | ||
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| I usually raise with them, but I'm not rooting for anyone to fold, I want them to CALL! Maybe not eight or ten of them, but at least half is nice. I want to win a big pot with the best hand. I hope someone three bets me so I can cap it. Anyway, I think the deal is that AA's are more of a money favorite the more callers you have. However, when I get them I still would rather play them against 6 players than 10, just as a practical matter of wanting to win this particular pot. | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, Wren, 14. May 2003 12:59 | ||
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| AA will win a very high percentage of the time against a large field (something like 25 or 30% of the time if the game is "showdown poker" with 9 other opponents - anyone care to validate?) Since you have such high equity holding AA, there is the argument that you want as many people in as possible since you will win more than your fair share of the time. However, there are a couple problems implicit in taking AA against a large field: (1) It is difficult to determine when you are beat and, in a similar vein, (2) It is a difficult hand to lay down. Due to this, many players will find themselves "paying off" with AA in situations when they are beat, and hence throwing a lot of bets away. With AA, I believe that many people would prefer to play confidently, winning smaller pots but winning MUCH more frequently. I personally like to take this hand against 3 or 4 others. It's a powerhouse, and I definitely don't want to just steal the blinds with it, but I also want there to be a very good chance that it will hold up, because I will be putting a lot of bets into the pot with it. When it comes to getting money in preflop, you ideally want everyone to pay the maximum to see the flop. If you can possibly cap it, you should generally do this, unless you're playing against tough competition and you want to provide a little deception (to make your opponents think you're holding something weaker, such as JJ, QQ or AQs). | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, bruh, 14. May 2003 15:21 | ||
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| I'd tend to agree with the first 2 or 3 posts. I almost always raise or re-raise preflop when I have AA....unless, like the other poster said, you are in early position and have someone behind you that you're pretty confident will raise so you can re-raise. It always sucks when you slowplay AA to get beaten by a hand that probably wouldn't have called the 2nd (or 3rd) bet, so I like to get as much money into the pot when I have the best hand. Again, I agree it's better to slowplay AA in pot-limit or no-limit when you can trap someone. | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, NiceFella, 14. May 2003 20:32 | ||
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| Slowplaying is something you do when your opponent can improve, but his hand will still be worse than yours if he does. This is definitely not the case with AA. You are extremely vulnerable and should be happy to take the pot down at any time. Like others have said, circumstances may sometimes dictate a strategy of going for a limp-reraise or limping just to vary your play, but in general you want to scare away as many opponents as possible and get as much money in the pot as possible. Routinely limping with AA, which I see a lot of losing players stubbornly doing every day, is a terrible mistake. These players then have the gall to get upset that their aces didn't hold up -- and are therefore thankful that they didn't raise! How amusing and profitable for me. NiceFella | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, mdf, 15. May 2003 06:19 | ||
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| Because I am still learning I tend to play conservatively. However, after I have been at a table for a while the other players know that I only raise with premium hands and I would not get any action on a raise on my AA's especially in early position. If I know that is my table image I might slow play my aces to get some action. | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, noiseboy, 15. May 2003 16:49 | ||
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| Yep, and if you're image is that tight you can steal more too, until you get caught, then they don't think you are as tight as they once did. | ||
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| Re: AA in limit HE, NiceFella, 15. May 2003 19:36 | ||
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| Hmm... mdf, I think you need to be raising more hands preflop. If you are only raising with the big hands like AA and KK then yes, no one is going to call you when you raise. But there are a lot of good hands besides these that are worth raising with. Also consider putting in a raise with lesser hands like KQo or ATs if one or two players have limped in ahead of you -- you probably have a better hand than they do, and you can get the blinds out this way. After I've raised a pot, my opponents have a tough time putting me on a hand, and are just as afraid that I have AQ as TT. This is a nice place to be. Not to put too fine a point on it, conservative play is losing play. A lot of pots will get away from you if you play conservatively. Just today I snapped off someone's QQ by catching an ace on the river -- and there's no way I'd have made it to the river if this player had reraised preflop and bet out on the flop aggressively. Just one big pot like that pays for a lot of raising. NiceFella | ||
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