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 Late position in low limit holdem., David A, 13. May 2003 15:12 | ||
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| Your sitting in a low limit holdem table, quite loose and passive. On the button, you are being delt A2 suited. How many limpers do you need to call? What if it is K5 suited? Or a low pocket pair, such as 33? | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., Player X, 13. May 2003 15:55 | ||
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| This is a little bit tricky to answer. With A2suited, generally you need three limpers (not including the blinds). However, this is only if you know nothing about the limpers and how they play. With information about these players it could be as few as one (and obviously none). Also it would be more than three if one of the blinds or players behind you raises in nearly every hand (obviously not the case in the games you're refering to). With a hand like 33, even though it plays very different and prefers a more aggressive game, my answer is about the same. -X Writer www.pokerev.com | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., Player X, 13. May 2003 15:57 | ||
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| With K5suited, i'd say generally four limpers (still excluding the blinds). And this all presumes that you play fairly well after the flop. -X Writer www.pokerev.com | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., Roy Cooke, 13. May 2003 16:39 | ||
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| It depends on the quality of your opponents...You should raise if nobody opens! The weaker your opponents and the more of them the looser you should play Roy Cooke on 13. May 2003 15:12 David A wrote: > Your sitting in a low limit holdem table, quite loose and passive. > > On the button, you are being delt A2 suited. How many limpers do you need to > call? > > What if it is K5 suited? > > Or a low pocket pair, such as 33? | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., Easy E, 13. May 2003 19:54 | ||
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| I would also raise the A2 and 33 with a large number of callers, given your position. K5s is a possible raise as well. As passive as they are, they'll let you off the hook for a lot of saved bets | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., Player X, 14. May 2003 00:37 | ||
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| Raising with those hands in a multiway pot is a negative EV with many passive callers. -X Writer www.pokerev.com | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., shorn, 14. May 2003 05:41 | ||
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| Raisning with K5s is negative EV, but with 6 or 7 callers, I think raising with A2s and or a small pocket pair is a value raise and not -EV. If you hit, you have built a monster pot and if you don't you may get a free card and a second (small) chance to hit again. I wouldn't advocate raising all the time, but every once in a while. | ||
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| I strongly disagree, Easy E, 14. May 2003 07:27 | ||
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| I'll have to run some sims to check this, but my experience has been that if they are loose-passive, playing poorly after the flop, "high card with junk" suited hands do quite well, since you get good pot odds and get bets after you catch. Raising (when you know everyone will call the second bet) makes for some really nice payoffs. | ||
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| One additional requirement, Easy E, 14. May 2003 07:28 | ||
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| YOU have to be able to get away from your hand on the flop, especially if you flop top pair.... since you are almost surely beaten. | ||
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| Re: One additional requirement, shorn, 14. May 2003 07:38 | ||
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| Sure, as with every hand that misses this is true. | ||
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| Re: I strongly disagree, shorn, 14. May 2003 07:31 | ||
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| OK. You can disagree if you like. However, if they are playing loose passive like that, then it is highly likely that one or two of them has an Ace so even if you hit your King, you have to face that all the way. Sims or not, I won't change the way i play Kxs...to me it is a steal hand against weak blinds only. If I have to give up $0.05 per hour in my 10/20 game, then so be it. | ||
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| Re: Late position in low limit holdem., stdioh, 14. May 2003 07:15 | ||
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| I think that against a loose passive table, this is a hand that you can almost always play. If it is folded around to you, it is great for stealing. If there is a limper and you think you can knock out the blinds then you can raise and try to play him heads up. If there are 2 limpers then you can limp, let the blinds in and play it that way for the flush. If there are many limpers, ok to limp too and if there are enough then you might even raise for value and deception, since it'll be hard for somebody to put you on A2 suited then. This is really an "it depends" question, like just about every question. However, in general, if you want a simple answer, you should have at least 2 limpers behind you. As for K5s, that's just a little tougher...tighten up a little with that hand. I've played KXs numerous times only to make my flush and be beat by an ace high flush...it happens more than you might think...especially with a lot of limpers. You also lose your straight potential, and if you do hit your lone king and on the off chance it is good, and ace can still come to ruin your day. Small pairs, on the other hand, have a lot more going for them. If you can get heads up with them, they play ok as long as you know what to do. If you get a raggety paired board, they do ok, and if you get up against enough opponents then you can just follow the old 'no set no bet' rule. Your chances of a pair improving to a set are about equal to your chances of a flush getting there from two suited cards, but the problem is that if you don't get there on the flop, it is very unlikely you will get to see the turn. So generally you want 5+ opponents to play a small pair. If there are 2 limpers and I'm on the button I'll fold pocket 3's. | ||
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