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 Overcoming low-limit Schooling, Brian Skinner, 13. May 2003 06:50 | ||
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| Hello. First-time post, here. New to the game (6 months or so). Been playing online. Low-limit. I'd appreciate any advice on the best approach to overcome the schooling effect at the lowest limits. Do I really need to just accept that my top pair-top kicker just isn't going to be good enough most of the time? Looking for general tips. Thanks, SKinner | ||
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| Re: Overcoming low-limit Schooling, bruh, 13. May 2003 07:25 | ||
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| From my personal experience, you'll encounter 1 of 2 scenerios in lower-limit poker. First, you'll have people who play exactly by they book and don't deviate from that at all. Second, and playing on what you mentioned, a lot of times you'll just have to accept bad-beats as part of the game at lower limits. Most people will continue to draw to their hand if it's only going to cost them another $4, 6, etc. or play a lot of hands pre-flop since it's so inexpensive. If you're holding KK, you'd love a flop like 2-5-6.....but so will someone playing a hand like 2-5 or 3-4. Again, from my experience, people tend to play more draw cards (connectors) so you'll have to watch their betting patterns. As you gain experience you'll get better at reading flops/hands and will hopefully have a general idea of what your opponent has. Hope this helped a little. | ||
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| Re: Overcoming low-limit Schooling, noiseboy, 13. May 2003 09:15 | ||
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| When there are a lot of players in every pot, play your premium drawing hands strongly. Suited connectors and Axs go up in value. Smallish pairs also go up in value, as long as you aren't afraid to bail if you don't hit a set on the flop. Actually, all of your playable hands go up in value when people are playing way too loose, but suited hands go up more because when you hit your flush you are going to get paid off big time. The big pairs are actually very strong holdings in this type of game; however, the most common mistake players make is to get married to their big pairs and not release them when they aren't good. For example if you have pocket Aces, and the flop comes 9-10-J with two to a suit that doesn't match either A, and there are six callers in the hand, your AA's aren't looking that great. However, if a flop comes K72, without any suits or with two to a suit that matches you A, then you are going to play very strong and hope someone has AK or KQ. The texture of the flop is VERY important in these loose games because there are more hands out, and when the flop has lots of possibilities for straights and flushes, you can't be too comfortable with just a one pair hand. The ideal situation is when you have a big hand and a draw to an even bigger hand. Like you have AK of hearts and the flop comes KQ8 with two hearts. Or even if you have JTs and the flop comes QT3 with two of your suit. Whenever you have a chance that you already have the best hand plus some serious outs to make a nut hand or very strong hand, then this is a situation you want to play very strong in the loose games. Hope some of this helps. | ||
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| Re: Overcoming low-limit Schooling, Player X, 13. May 2003 11:47 | ||
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| In incredibly loose games, you need to adjust the hands you play accordingly. Hands like KJoff QJoff should be folded from late position after many callers (and you shouldn't be playing them up front either. Also, a witha hand like AQoff with many callers in front of you, you should consider just calling with instead of raising. Then if you hit the flop, you have a reasonable chance that you will be bet into and then you can raise to try and limit the field and punish those who stay. Lastly, the biggest way to improve your game against the players is to learn to make good laydowns against the predictable opponents who only bet hands that are close to the nuts. Some playings will be total calling stations unless they have two pair or better. If you can learn to fold your top pair against these type of opponents, you should have no trouble beating the game you're in for a sizable amount. -X Writer www.pokerev.com | ||
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| Re: Overcoming low-limit Schooling, stdioh, 13. May 2003 13:33 | ||
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| When lots of players are in the hand, one pair is very unlikely to hold up. What that means is that you want to play agressively and push people out of pots. You need to find a way to make them either pay too much for a draw or fold. The best way to do this is find a maniac and sit apropriately. If you're to the left of a maniac and he bets out, then you can raise with your one pair and fold off annoying gutshots that would pay one bet. Now you can thin out your opponents. You'll also get players who have pot odds to call one bet, but not two bets who come along anyway. As long as they are calling against odds they are paying you off - as long as there aren't too many of them. Again, do what you can to scare them off of the pot. Now, assuming that you can't control the table like that and people are just fishing around for anything, play your drawing hands. Play Ax suited and punish all those coming along when you hit the nut flush. Play suited connectors. Put a lot less value on hands like AJ and AQ. Of course AA is still absolutely wonderful, but even unimproved overpairs to a raggety board like JJ over T45 are probably in some trouble against a large number of limpers...especially when you'll have players in there fixing around with A2, A3, 67, 78, 68, 36, and the likes just because they don't know any better. Basically, if a low card comes, there's a good chance somebody makes a straight and if a high card comes, somebody will probably hit their J8 or K9 or whatever. So really, you want to avoid that sort of thing and play to make a nut flush against a worse flush and a nut straight against a worse straight. It's not quite like playing Omaha, but you get the picture. | ||
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| Re: Overcoming low-limit Schooling, SendMoney, 13. May 2003 16:36 | ||
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| One of the problems facing a lot of low limit players is knowing when to hold em and when to fold em on the river. Suppose you hold AKs on the button vs two players and the flop comes A K 10 of mixed suits. It's checked to you, you bet, both players call. The turn is 5, both players check to you, you bet, both players call. The turn is a J, the first player bets, the second player raises - what do you do? The experienced player will say "Damn at least one of those suckout dogs hit their gutshot if not both, I'm gonna save my money." The inexperienced player will say "Well maybe they did hit their two pair, but they can't beat my TOP two pair, right? Right?" So you call two bets, then the first player three bets, and the second player caps it. Some players will even call the extra bets with two pair in this situation, we've all seen it. Now suppose you hold AsJc on the button and you're heads up pre-flop with the big blind. The flop comes Jh 10d 2h. The BB checks to you, you bet, and BB calls. The turn brings 5c, the BB checks, you bet, and the BB calls. Now the river brings 3h. UT OH, A FLUSH CARD HAS HIT! The BB bets out - the experienced player will say "maybe he's got the hearts, maybe he doesn't, but I'm gonna pay to see it because I won't get bluffed out heads up on the river." The inexperienced player will say "Damn that flush card hit, he got that flush he was chasing, I mean why else would he call all the way? Right? Right?" So you call and the BB turns over KQo, and he was representing a flush when his overcards and open ended straight draw all missed. These are just examples of hands that happen all the time. Basically you don't want to get bluffed out by one player on the river, but you also don't want 2 or more players to pass around the hat with a nut straight or K vs. A high flushes when you hold a 10 high flush. You should be inclined to call 1 bet on the river if you have a decent holding, you should not be inclined to call 3 or 4 bets with a non-nut hand. | ||
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| Re: Overcoming low-limit Schooling, SKinner, 14. May 2003 05:04 | ||
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| Good stuff, all of it. Some stuff I knew...some stuff I hadn't really considered. Thanks, again. This forum is fantastic. –SKinner | ||
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