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 Just need to vent a little, Cade, 10. May 2003 00:52 | ||
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| Tonight was a bad night. It was a NL Hold'em and NL 7-card stud home game at my house. A new guy came who i had never played with before, but I had talked to a bunch of friends who play with him often, so I knew how he played mostly. The problem was that he was even more stupid than I expected. I could read him perfect and knew what he was holding almost every time. Knowin he was on a straight draw, I would make a large raise. He would call, still not having the straight, and then the same thing would happen again, and then he would get it on the last card and my 3 of a kind would be beaten. it pissed me off so much. he kept making horrible moves through out the whole game, but would some how get lucky in the end. One time I knew he had two pair, I put in a huge raise trying to bluff him. He called it and I lost, but he wasn't even calling because he knew I was bluffing. He honestly thought his two pair was a winner. You may have to see our games to know what I'm talking about, but any of the regulars would have folded. Two pair just doesn't normally win against big raises like that, especially from me. I'm a tight, but agressive player that isn't known to bluff much. I guess he doesn't play wiht me enough to know that. To be honest, I believe i played almost every hand i played correctly and I would play them the same way I got them again. I may have just picked the wrong person to make those moves towards, a very unexperienced player. I guess i just need to remember that in the long run he won't draw out on me, and that the moves I make will pay off eventually. Sorry guys, I just really needed to get some of this out. -Cade | ||
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| Re: Just need to vent a little, SendMoney, 10. May 2003 01:12 | ||
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| The way to handle a player like that is to never slow play against them. Suppose you are holding AKs and you raise pre-flop, and the flop comes A A K, in this situation it is usually appropriate to check the flop, representing that you don't have anything. Against your fishy player it is better to bet, since there is a chance he'll be holding Q10, J10, QJ, or maybe even a K or an A, or a flush draw and he'll give you some action. He may put you on a hand like AQ or AJ and figure that you don't want to give a free gutshot card. I know how it feels to have a huge pocket pair, to flop a set, and then to lose to a gutshot, or a runner runner straight or flush on the river - plain to say it sucks, that's why they call it a suckout. I mean a flopped set is a huge favorite to an open-ended straight draw, since you alreayd have a made hand, and the odds that the other player makes a straight are about the same odds that'll you'll get a card that pairs the board, giving you a full house or quads. Now a flopped set is an even bigger favorite versus a gutshot straight draw. Think about it, you're way ahead, on the turn you have 7 cards that will give you a full house, on the river you have 10 cards that will give you a full house (or better). The gutshot only gets 4 cards on the turn and 4 on the river. Sometime they hit their straight on the turn but you get your boat on the river too, so your set isn't totally unviable until the river card is dealt even if you're up against a straight on the turn. If you're sick of losing to straights turn the tables on em, raise with 10J from late position and then raise your draws, there's nothing more frustrating that losing to someone who bets the come the whole way, and hits on the river! | ||
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| Re: Just need to vent a little, MozMan, 10. May 2003 08:31 | ||
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| You know what, the guy had a lucky night, and you really need to think of him as an investement. Try not to get so mad, instead kill him with kindness and butter him up. You want to keep him coming back and, more important, you want him to keep playing that way, because over the long run you will win the majority of those hands. If he knows how mad you were, he may not come back and thne you will never have the chance to win that money back. | ||
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| Re: Just need to vent a little, Mark, 11. May 2003 08:22 | ||
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| If you were playing no limit and had great reads on him, you should have been putting him all- in on the flop. If he is drawing you are a faviorite to win, and by putting him at risk of losing his whole stack, not just part of it, he is more likely to fold. Of course, if you take a bad beat, you'll need to have enough money to buy in again. mark | ||
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| Re: Just need to vent a little, Piers Majestyk, 11. May 2003 15:37 | ||
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| In my opinion if you knew the guy would call with gutshot draws to a big raise why didn't you think he wouldn't call your bluff with 2 pair if that is what you knew he had? I think you just donated in that position. If you know you have him beat make him pay to get lucky but don't try to bluff a weak player who you know to have a hand. | ||
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| Re: Just need to vent a little, Wren, 12. May 2003 10:49 | ||
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| My thoughts exactly. When you are playing against a player who will not fold, DON'T ATTEMPT TO BLUFF HIM! Especially when you can peg him for having something as strong as 2-pair. Players like this do not look at the board and think "Hey - a flush is possible". They think "I have 2 pair. 2 pair is good! I'm staying in!!" I have been guilty of this in the past. I once tried to bluff out an any-ace player who I suspected hit his A with no kicker. He called me down, as I *knew* he would, and I was pissed off that I threw away so much money against a player I had pegged as a calling station. That's the worst feeling - having accurate reads on a player, but not having the conviction or the sensibility to play him/her properly. | ||
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| Re: Just need to vent a little, noiseboy, 12. May 2003 10:47 | ||
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| hello there, I have little doubt that you are a better player than the person you are describing. However, when you said "you knew he was on two pair but tried to bluff him out", then later say "I think I played every hand correctly" those two statements are contradictory. Against a good player, you might try to represent something and push them off a hand, but at this point you KNEW you had a calling station on your hands, and you NEVER try to bluff a calling station. I think at that point his earlier bonehead plays put you on tilt, and led to you making a bonehead play. You probably couldn't bluff that guy off ONE pair much less two. Anyway, I'm not a NL expert yet, so I think you are probably better than me, as I play limit, mostly. However, I do think you were basically giving the guy free money trying to bluff, unless you had some serious outs. | ||
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