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 bad play?, tron, 9. May 2003 22:04 | ||
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| 103 players / blinds 75-150 / i've got 5k in chips / 4000 chips is average)/ 27 players left i pick up pocket 66s,(in seat 2) 2 other players in pot , , seat 8 raise to 300. (chip leader with 9k) i call. flop comes 10 6 spades and 2heart every checks A of spade on turn. seat 8 bets 150, i raise to 750 3 player folds. a queen of hearts lands, he checks I bet 1200, he sets me all in. i know im beat with a flush but can't lay down trips. he shows me KJ offsuited no spade. I'm out on a gut shot one outer. should i set him all in when the A of spade hit? | ||
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| Re: bad play?, SendMoney, 10. May 2003 01:01 | ||
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| A gutshot straight draw is actually a 4 outter, since there are 4 Queens. If you had pocket 6s and flopped a set and someone else had pocket 10s and flopped a set you would have been drawing at a one outter. If you had second set against a flop with 2 spades I think it might have been a good play to either jump all-in right there or at least make a huge, relatively uncallable raise. It's an aggressive move but you don't get to play too many flopped sets with no J, Q, K or A overcards, you have to roll the dice you're not up against pocket 10s, which you are probably not. I sometimes say if there is enough in the pot in a NL tourney, make em pay full price if they want to draw. | ||
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| Re: bad play?, Tim C, 10. May 2003 09:43 | ||
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| Tron I would not have called his all in raise on the end. With a straight and a flush on board muck your set and get ready for the next hand. A call might be right in a ring game but not in a to. | ||
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| Re: bad play?, Mark, 11. May 2003 08:47 | ||
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| With middle set, i would be betting big on the flop (if not all- in ) to see what the pre-flop raiser would do. If he calls, i'd put him on a draw, if he re-raises, he probably has an over pair, and then i go all in. By playing the flop aggressively, you would of had a much better idea of what your opponents are playing. With 2 suited cards on the flop, at least a 1.5x pot bet is warranted. If you had made a big flop bet and got called, you can easily slow down when the As hits the turn because you are only going to get called or reraised if you beaten. As for calling the all-in on the river, if you believe your up against a flush, you have to fold. With the straight also out, what could your opponent actually have that is worth check raising into a raiser. Unless he is a maniac, you are beat. If you "can't lay down trips" in a situation like that, you will be a big loser. Your cards rankings are all relative. It doesn't matter what you have, what matters is if your hand will beat your opponent's hand in a show down. Trips is strong with no flush and no straight possible, but with your board trips really goes down in value. mark > 103 players / blinds 75-150 / > i've got 5k in chips / 4000 chips is average)/ 27 players left > i pick up pocket 66s,(in seat 2) 2 other players in pot , > , seat 8 raise to 300. (chip leader with 9k) i call. > flop comes 10 6 spades and 2heart every checks > A of spade on turn. seat 8 bets 150, i raise to 750 > 3 player folds. a queen of hearts lands, he checks I > bet 1200, he sets me all in. > > i know im beat with a flush but can't lay down trips. > he shows me KJ offsuited no spade. > I'm out on a gut shot one outer. > > should i set him all in when the A of spade hit? > > | ||
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| Re: bad play?, Player X, 12. May 2003 02:06 | ||
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| There are so many ways to play this hand. It all depends on how your opponents play and their stack sizes. The biggest fault in your play is on the river. You shouldn't have bet if a checkraise would be a killer for you, which it was since you couldn't get away from your hand. Also I'd say you should have probably raised more on the turn. -X Writer www.pokerev.com | ||
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| Re: bad play?, stdioh, 12. May 2003 09:43 | ||
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| I'm afraid that you don't belong in that hand at all. When you are holding pocket 6's, have above average chip stack, and are getting to the point in the tournament where a lot of people are getting munched by the blinds, you want to play heads up against tiny stacks with stuff like that, you want to try to steal blinds with stuff like that, but other than those actions, you don't want to play crap like that at all...this is the time to be really tight and try to survive until the money. Only make at run at it when you have premium cards. | ||
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| Re: bad play?, Mark, 13. May 2003 09:07 | ||
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| I disagree, stdioh Against a small preflop raise, i would play a small pocket pair, hoping to flop a set. If i did and got bet into, i would probably be all-in immediately. You have a hand can be well disguised and win alot of money (T chips). I know the situation is not great for all the reasons you state, but i think calling pre-flop is at least marginal, not necessarily bad. mark | ||
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| Re: bad play?, shorn, 13. May 2003 09:22 | ||
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| If you are a mid to short stack, I agree with you Mark. However, if you are an above-average stack, then i am not so sure. Your small pair that makes a set can win a ton of money true, but you most likely won't be getting 7-1 to call the raise and since you are a larger stack, you will (in the long run) just be bleeding chips away more often than not. Especially with a pair like 66 where it is likely that at least 2 of the board cards will be higher. I say wait for a better opportunity and then go and punish a smaller stack. | ||
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| Re: bad play?, Mark, 13. May 2003 19:08 | ||
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| on 13. May 2003 09:22 shorn wrote: > If you are a mid to short stack, I agree with you Mark. However, if you are an above-average > stack, then i am not so sure. Your small pair that makes a set can win a ton of money true, > but you most likely won't be getting 7-1 to call the raise and since you are a larger stack, > you will (in the long run) just be bleeding chips away more often than not. Especially with a > pair like 66 where it is likely that at least 2 of the board cards will be higher. I say wait > for a better opportunity and then go and punish a smaller stack. Good points | ||
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