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 Favorite poker books?, Jav, 7. May 2003 13:07 | ||
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| I'm a poker player who's played for fun (read played really badly) for years, but recently decided that I'm going to be a winning poker player. I'm pretty good with numbers and have a good feel for the game, so I think with enough self-discipline, practice, and research I can probably become a winning player. I know there are a lot of "good" books out there teaching strategy, and I was wondering about people on this forums favorites. So if anyone has one or two poker books that they think really helped them to improve, or just really enjoyed, I would be thankful for your recommendations. I'm interested in different poker games and different book styles (poker stories, strategy, etc). Thanks! | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, JLenart, 7. May 2003 13:11 | ||
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| I started with Lee ones' Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em and found it a great place to start if your game is 5/10 or less. After that I read Sklansky's Theory of Poker. Good luck, john | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, JLenart, 7. May 2003 13:12 | ||
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| That's Lee Jones'. | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, noiseboy, 7. May 2003 13:14 | ||
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| Gary Carson's "Complete Book of Hold'em" is pretty great. | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, shorn, 7. May 2003 13:23 | ||
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| Lee Jonesd book is definitely worth the read and the original Hold em poker by David Sklansky is a must. Also The Theory of Poker for more general poker strategy not specifically related to Hold em. This one can be tough to get through as a newly dedicated player but it will be the book that you read 100 times over as you progress as a player. Good luck. Steve | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Wren, 7. May 2003 13:26 | ||
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| As JLenart already mentioned, Lee Jones' "Winning Low Limit Hold'em" is a great book to read to help you kick ass at low limit games (or, more generally, games in which the majority of the players are quite clueless and in which solid, straightforward, +EV play will bring the money home.) If you decide to move up to higher limit games, read Sklansky's "Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players". It covers more advanced topics not discussed in the Jones' book such as semi-bluffing, inducing bluffs, etc. It's very clear and informative. Caro's Book of Tells is (as far as I know) the only book that discusses physical player tells, and it's very comprehensive, covering all different types of unconscious and conscious tells, and even statistics such as how much money you can expect to make per hour simply by exploiting this tell. I'd imagine that many higher limit players have read this book, and will hence try to mislead by giving off reverse tells, but many low-limit players are completely unawaree tell factories who definitely can be exploited. One of my other favourites is Larry Phillips' "Zen and the Art of Poker". It's great for helping you control your emotions, be disciplined, feel and fit into the "flow" of the game, accept short term results, etc. etc. I've read it several times and each new time I read it a few new points hit home. It's got a lot of highlighting in it :O) | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, ice, 8. May 2003 16:08 | ||
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| on 7. May 2003 13:26 Wren wrote: > One of my other favourites is Larry Phillips' "Zen and the Art of Poker". It's great > for helping you control your emotions, be disciplined, feel and fit into the "flow" > of the game, accept short term results, etc. etc. I've read it several times and each > new time I read it a few new points hit home. It's got a lot of highlighting in it > :O) I thought i was at least decent at controlling myself and my emotions at the table... i picked the "zen of poker" up yesterday, and i have found a few mental errors that i've been making on a daily basis. Its a good, quick, helpful read. *********** ¡¢£ßøx | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Andrew Wells, 7. May 2003 13:26 | ||
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| Then I'd recommend Mason Malmuth's Poker Essays (there are now three volumes). Covers a lot of strategy and advice, using mainly hold'em where examples are needed. More than just books on how to play hands, these cover ancillary issues. | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Jav, 7. May 2003 13:57 | ||
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| Thanks for all the suggestions. You just can't tell how good a book is by reading the back cover. Also I probably can't buy *every* book, at least in the short term. So if you have any suggestions on what might be a good book to pick up from the library and read, and what books are must have on your shelf I would appreciate that as well. Thanks again. | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Guru, 7. May 2003 14:00 | ||
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| Phil Helmuth's book "Play Poker Like the Pros" came out today. I preordered it off Amazon, but probably won't get it until tomorrow or the day after. If you guys want me to review it for you when I'm done I''ll be happy to. I also found "The Winner's Guide to Casino Poker" by Edwin Silberstang to be very useful. It's well written, easy to follow, and covers all different games and various aspects of playing them. It's a great book for beginning to imtermediate players. | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Chris James, 7. May 2003 15:40 | ||
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| Start with Skalnsky's Hold 'em poker to solidify the basics | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, NiceFella, 7. May 2003 17:29 | ||
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| As you can see from all the responses, there are a lot of good poker books. I have two favorites though. Lee Jones' "Winning Low-Limit Holdem" is the ultimate primer to the game for the beginner. It's short, complete, and accurate. It's very well organized and easy to read. If you only read one poker book in your whole life, this book could be the one. This is "Poker 101" and if you haven't mastered the concepts in this book, you don't know how to play holdem. Ciaffone and Brier's "Middle Limit Holdem Poker" is my other favorite book for those who've mastered the material in Jones' book. This book is exhaustively complete and well written. When people talk about playing "by the book," this is the book I think of. This book is primarily a compendium of example poker situations -- sort of a self-test -- with excellent discussion of the recommended play. What you gain from this is hundreds of examples of good, solid play (like watching over the shoulder of an excellent player), and lots of in-depth explanation of what makes a good or bad play. While other books explain how to play, this book demonstrates it. This book revolutionized the way I play the game. I can't imagine not having this book. I read it repeatedly. NiceFella | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, JasonHoldEm, 7. May 2003 19:48 | ||
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| Jav, Hey there. I'm in a very similar situation as you are. Although I haven't been playing that long, I'm essentially a begninner that wants to become a winner. I've been picking up a number of books here and there (whenver someone recommends a good one), but I haven't gotten around to reading (all of) them yet. I'm listing them in the order I plan to read them. Those marked with an asterisk mean that I haven't read them yet, so the synopsis after the title is based on what I've heard from others (what prompted me to buy the book and what I'm expecting to get out of it). Hope that makes sense, here goes. Winning Low Limit Hold'em by Lee Jones. I've already read this one twice, it is an excellent beginner book and probably the one you should start with. Theory of Poker by David Sklansky. I've read this one once so far, but I'm going to go back to it soon. This book begins to cover more advnaced topics in depth, so reading it and re-reading it is necessary (as it is with most strategy books). *Psychology of Poker by Alan Schoonmaker. Gives you an introduction into the different types of players you'll see at the table, what they're thinking, how you can expect them to play, etc. *(read some parts) Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth. This book is probably the most respected authority on hold'em poker today. I've only begun to scratch the surface of what this book has to offer, I know I'll be going back to it again and again. *Middle Limit Poker by Bob Ciaffone. I have not yet read this, from what I've heard though it is an excellent companion to Hold'em Poker For Advanced Players because the both cover similar topics (although in some cases, different ways). Don't be fooled by the title everyone I've spoken to has said this book will also help you in the low limits. *Inside the Poker Mind by John Feeny. This book is a collection of essays that attempt to give you a deeper understanding of "the poker mind" what you should be thinking about, what your opponents are thinking about, etc *Poker Essays, Poker Essays II, Poker Essays III by Mason Malmuth (three separate books). Collections of essays on various poker topics. The easiest way to read the books is to flip through the table of contents for particular issues you are working on. All of the essays are essentially stand alone, so there's no need to read the book straight through. If you're looking to play tournaments then I'd recommend Sklansky's Tournament Poker for Advanced Players. This was a really good read and helped my tournament game immensely. If you're looking to play live poker (rather than internet), then of course you must pick up Caro's Book of Tells. I own it, but haven't read it yet as the closest cardroom is about a billion miles away from me. If you're looking to play pot-limit or No-Limit I've heard good things about Ciaffone's "Pot Limit and No Limit Poker" and of course the old standby Doyle Brunson's "Super/System" I tend to stay away from PL and NL games so I don't own either. Finally, to the poster who recommended Phil Helmuth's new book...I'd proceede with caution...I've heard absolutely NOTHING good about this book. A respected poker author I spoke with said the book was filled with horrible advice that recommended maniacal play. Phil has had success playing like this over the years (and I'm NOT at all suggesting that he is a bad player, he's one of the best), but the novice player may be hurt more by this book than helped by it. Again, this is just what I've heard, but I trust the advice of those I've heard it from. Personally I do not plan to purchase this book. Here is a link to the Phil Helmuth Book thread at that "other" poker forum: http://www.twoplustwo.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=books&Number=247708&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=all&vc=1 That's about it...I'm sure there are other's out there that are good, but I've got my reading list filled for the next year or two so I'm just concentrating on going through my stack at this point. Remember, to really learn what these books have to offer the need to be read and re-read multiple times. You also need to get expereince playing to learn from these books, as things will be easier to understand once you've experenced the situation they are talking about a few times. Good luck, see you at the tables, jHE | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Guru, 8. May 2003 09:07 | ||
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| I actually haven't recommended it. I just noted that I went ahead and bought it. Actually, it just got delivered this morning (Along with Poker Nation), so I will read it and tell you guys what I think about it. | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, JLenart, 8. May 2003 09:23 | ||
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| I've read Poker nation and it's a great read. I just started read Hellmuth's book and would say that it suggests a very aggressive style of play in selective situations. I don't think I'd call it maniacal but it's very aggressive. Anyway, I'm only 100 or so pages into the book. Of course since I'm a relative novice my opinion may not be entirely correct. John | ||
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| Re: Favorite poker books?, Paul Taylor, 8. May 2003 13:13 | ||
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| I cant believe Phil makes any money at all playing limit holdem the way he suggests in the begginner and intermediate section of his book. I,m looking foward to reading his NL strategies. | ||
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