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 What do you tell yourself?, mdf, 5. May 2003 11:12 | ||
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| The scenario: You've been sitting at the table and for the last hour and a half and the highest card you have seen is a J. This card has come to you in a variety of ways, mostly coupled with a 2, 3 or 4. Sometimes they are the same color but they are never the same suit. You've played your blinds but not one other single solitary hand. The imp on your shoulder has begun to whisper things in your ear like "Dude... what are ya doing ...auditioning for a place on Mt. Rushmore?" " Hey ya know it's fate trying to tell ya to play that J of hearts and 2 of clubs next time" "Ah go ahead, jacks always fall". What do you tell yourself so that you don't play a hand out of position or just a plain old bad hand? | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, stdioh, 5. May 2003 11:31 | ||
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| In this case, I think it might be ok to listen to that imp just once and make a flat out bluff. If I haven't been catching any cards and everybody at the table is starting to give me that look that says, "This dingus only plays aces and kings," I play to that and will fling out a UTG raise with any piece of trash. Folds cascade around the table and maybe you'll steal the blinds from under the gun. If somebody comes in and you actually hit a good flop and end up showing your cards, then so what - it's a hand you've won and a pot you've dragged, and now when you do start getting good hands people will pay you off more - good advertising. In the worst case scenario here you fling out your UTG raise, get reraised, and that gets a caller. Then it is up to you whether to fish around for a flop or ditch out of the hand (I wouldn't want to appear weak and would see a flop myself). If that's just not your style, then leave the table for an orbit, have a candy bar, jog around the casino, and come back with a clear head. | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, shorn, 5. May 2003 11:32 | ||
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| I ask myself if I would light a $20 bill on fire "just because I hadn't done it in 1.5 hours." If the answer to that is yes, by all means fire away. If not, robofold will continue... | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, ranwel, 5. May 2003 11:55 | ||
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| ! GOOD ANSWER ! ! GOOD ANSWER ! :) ran | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, Nathaniel Brous, 5. May 2003 11:33 | ||
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| Something like this... I must not call. Calling is the mind-killer. Calling is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will fold my cards. I will permit them to pass over me and through me. And when they have gone past I will turn the inner eye to see their path. Where the bad cards have gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. (compliments of Frank Herbert...well sort of.) - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, Pkrrookie, 5. May 2003 13:44 | ||
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| Nice! The Dune books are great. That is a very good answer to this question. | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, Schuster, 5. May 2003 11:36 | ||
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| Lou Krieger wrote in "Hold'em Excellence" that the only thing needed to be an excellent poker player is a commitment to becoming one. If you say you want to be an excellent poker player, then you are, provided you maintain that commitment. I usually think about that chapter and it's enough to keep me folding. | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, 4 POKER, 5. May 2003 13:21 | ||
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| on 5. May 2003 11:36 Schuster wrote: > Lou Krieger wrote in "Hold'em Excellence" that the only thing needed to be an > excellent poker player is a commitment to becoming one. If you say you want to be an > excellent poker player, then you are, provided you maintain that commitment. I > usually think about that chapter and it's enough to keep me folding. I agree with that chapter as well. But one thing that I might consider would be to simply quit the game, take a break, and go back later. Sometimes the cards just don't happen for you, and depending on how long you've been sitting there looking like an empty chair, I'd probably just get up and find an Omaha 8 game to play in... with four cards now to look at, a "hand" is more likely to come my way !! 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, Risky Business, 5. May 2003 13:45 | ||
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| You are not there to play cards, you are there to win money!! | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, Wren, 5. May 2003 12:17 | ||
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| Hehe...I'm amused how you got two completely different pieces of advice in your first two responses. But yeah...getting no cards for a long long stretch REALLY sucks, for a few reasons: - It's friggin' boring to not play at all. It feels like you're being benched, watching all the exciting action and not getting to participate. Or, as Larry Phillips puts it in his great book Zen and the Art of Poker, "There aren't enough bats & balls to go around." :O) It kind of feels like you're not really there. And it is difficult to remain in a mindset of detached calm and patience while continuing to get no playable hands. It is also difficult to retain focus on the game. - Other players will start thinking of you as a rock, and you will get very little action when you finally do get some cards. The other players might even openly comment, "Uh oh - he/she is raising. He/she MUST have aces." The dealer might start to comment on your lack of hands. The comments, of course, solidify the other players' view of you as a rock. So what to do about it? You've already had two suggestions - keep folding, and use your image to bluff a few pots. IMHO, it's a fine line between either of these approaches being correct. Theoretically, playing bad starting cards has -EV, but the psychological factors can be just as important here. I think a good compromise is to continue folding all abysmally bad hands, but loosen requirements every once in awhile and play moderately crappy holdings (such as medium unsuited connectors or QXs) in late position. I wouldn't recommend raising out from early position with crappy cards, as you just don't know what's out there behind you, and you might find yourself paying 3 bets to take a flop with crappy cards out of position. But slip in there every once in awhile on the button or cut-off. If you can win a pot or two & show down non-premium cards, people will remember for awhile and pay off your premiums more than they would if they continued to think of you as a rock. However, I'd only recommend loosening up a bit if you're playing well, focused on the game, making good reads and still feeling emotionally neutral. In this state, you'll be playing the flop and beyond well, so if you come in with, for example, J8o and the flop comes 67J, you'll have a decent feel for whether or not you have the best of it. If, on the other hand, you're feeling a little foggy, bored, or impatient, or you're thinking of other things aside from poker, stick to stringent starting hand requirements, or better yet, take a break or end your session. My 2 cents worth. | ||
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| If the imp could play that well,, Easy E, 5. May 2003 12:43 | ||
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| SHE'D be in the seat, rather than you. Steal occasionally, but primarily ignore the foul little creature | ||
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| Re: If the imp could play that well,, Big_Slick, 5. May 2003 14:39 | ||
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| I'm all for playing a sub-par hand every once in a while if you are not getting any good cards. As our fellow forum members have stated, it will help your image for those who take you for a "rock" and you just might get lucky and flop a monster. That said, it's important that you retain your discipline and not fall into the "just one more hand" routine. Before you know it, you'll be playing every other hand that gets dealt your way. Good poker players get great satisfaction from knowing that they played well. Unfortunately, playing well doesn't always mean that you'll win money. Stick with your game plan and at the end of the session -- win or lose -- you can feel good about yourself and your game. | ||
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| Re: If the imp could play that well,, 4 POKER, 5. May 2003 15:25 | ||
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| on 5. May 2003 14:39 Big_Slick wrote: > I'm all for playing a sub-par hand every once in a while if you are not getting any good > cards. As our fellow forum members have stated, it will help your image for those who take > you for a "rock" and you just might get lucky and flop a monster. > > That said, it's important that you retain your discipline and not fall into the "just one > more hand" routine. Before you know it, you'll be playing every other hand that gets dealt > your way. > > Good poker players get great satisfaction from knowing that they played well. > Unfortunately, playing well doesn't always mean that you'll win money. Stick with your > game plan and at the end of the session -- win or lose -- you can feel good about yourself > and your game. Well stated, Big Slick. Good post. 4 POKER > | ||
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| Re: What do you tell yourself?, Roy Cooke, 7. May 2003 09:53 | ||
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| You tell yourself to wait for the right situationa nd remain patient. you also, assuming your opponents are aware of you tighness of play (Yes I understand it is card dependent) look for bluffing opportunities as they will have a greater propensity for success! Roy Cooke | ||
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