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 Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, Banning, 5. May 2003 00:12 | ||
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| Here are a few situations, I'm curious if any of you think I played them correctly or incorrectly. I'm a decently educated poker player with little experience seeing as I'm a poor student. These all happened today while playing half pot limit with my buddies, there were 6 of us, and blinds are 5, 10. (We play for 5 bucks so the 5,10 is cents cuz we're all University students) 4 of us limp in and I'm BB with 6,9 suited. I'm short stacked. The flop is 6,9,T. I lead out with a 20 raise, with bottom 2 pair. The table folds to Travis a semi tight agressive player who raises me back 10. I reraise him another 40 and he raises me the half pot limit to which i fold. Was that a good call? He ended up not showing and refused to show. So now i'm sitting here wondering if i had it lost or not. Any ideas? Next situation. No preflop raises, but only 3 of us. I'm still short stacked. I'm holding Q7 on the button. Flop comes Q,J,x. I lead with 40 raise, nick who has been screwing with me (my direct left) and the best player at the table, raises me 20 and then John raises him 20. So now I need to decide whether or not to call. I ended up folding the winning hand...especially as the turn was another queen but that was irrelevant as Nick semi bluffed with an open ended straight and an overcard (King) and the other guy was a chump with nothing. I had it won the entire way had I stayed in. I figured that between the two of them, one of them must have 2 pair. I'm trying to figure out whether or not I was playing scared money because I was short stacked pretty much right from the start...or whether I had made smart decisions based on how people were betting. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, Snorbolus, 5. May 2003 05:49 | ||
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| Hello Banning, >The flop is > 6,9,T. I lead out with a 20 raise, with bottom 2 pair. The table folds to > Travis a semi tight agressive player who raises me back 10. I reraise him > another 40 and he raises me the half pot limit to which i fold. Was that a good > call? This is a really tough decision. I think that folding here was OK, because you have no idea if you are ahead or not and it looks as if you will end up all in if you stay. However, I think that you could have saved yourself the agony by just calling Travis' initial rase of 10. What were you trying to achieve when you re-raised the 1/2 pot limit? Did you think that he was likely to have folded there? Did you think that he was drawing to a flush or straight and want to charge him? If you had some plan then your re-raise was good (for instance, if you knew he would just call if he was drawing and likely fold top pair), otherwise I think a call and look at the turn might have been better. >So now i'm sitting here > wondering if i had it lost or not. Any ideas? Yes, stop wondering. It dosen't matter any more. Watch Travis play and take note of what type of hands he likes to pound the flop with. Then you will have a better idea next time that you are in a similar situation against him. > Next situation. No preflop raises, but only 3 of us. I'm still short stacked. > I'm holding Q7 on the button. Flop comes Q,J,x. I lead with 40 raise, nick ...... I wouldn't call with Q7 in the first place. Even half pot is still big bet poker. Before you get involved with a hand ask yourself "am I willing to loose my entire stack on these two cards?" Given that you did see the flop I think that betting your top pair no kicker, after it was checked to you was a good play; trying to pick up the pot right there. However, when the others played back, you had to fold. What else could you do? You can't back this holding with any significant chunk of your stack. Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, shorn, 5. May 2003 06:54 | ||
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| Snorlbus brings up a good point about PL and NL. When facing any calling/raising situation (especially when you have others still to act behind you), you must ALWAYS ask if you are willing to commit your whole stack to the cards you are holding. I find that the best PL and NL players are ones that don't play that many hands, but when they do play, are master's at "trapping" others with inferior holdings (like your Q7) when they hold the biggie. | ||
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| Re: Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, Banning, 5. May 2003 12:24 | ||
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| Thanks for the advice it is very sound. Often the players I play against are quite passive preflop but very agressive post-flop and as such I try to play as many "marginal" hands as possible. This strategy works quite well in limit poker but if I am understanding what you are saying correctly, it doesn't work to well in half or pot limit. It also appears that in a pot limit game position becomes signifacantly more important based on the chance that one may be forced to commit all of ones chips; is that correct? | ||
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| Re: Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, shorn, 5. May 2003 13:42 | ||
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| Yes. Position is extremely important in PL and NL. Because you can force players to do what you want (or force them to make really bad decisions to chase) due to the betting structure, it is best to have late position when playing a marginal holding. Also, less chance of someone putting in a big raise if you limp in late vs.early position. One point of clarification though...you can limp in MP with a few callers in front with a hand like 98s (especially if the game is passive). However, you MUST get away from the hand pre-flop is someone forces you too. Also, pay particular attention to the first few times you limp like this...if it is always raised behind you and you have to fold, save the small bet and look for bigger cards. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, Snorbolus, 6. May 2003 05:22 | ||
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| When your opponent makes big mistakes playing big bet poker you can take his whole stack. In my opinion this is what you should concentrate on trying to do. You don't have to (nor will you be able to) do it very often. Nevertheless that should be your goal. You need to go after small edges aggresively too, but really you are just doing that to keep your opponents believing that you don't always have the nuts when you pound the pot. Your real goal is to get yourself and as many of your opponents as possible all-in when you have a massive edge. This is one of the things that I like about pot-limit games. The pot grows exponentially. So you can look as if you are being very aggressive, indeed you can threaten a players entier stack, without putting very much of your own stack into the middle. The danger is that you can become so carried away going after small edges, bluffing and stealing small pots that you begin to think you are doing this because you want those pots. You don't. You want your opponents whole stack. Never forget this - but you need to keep him willing to put it into the middle. If your opponents are passive before the flop and then too aggressive afterwards this will make your task much easier. You will have more opportunity to limp with hands that can become very big when they hit the flop (Axs, medium and small pairs, suited connectors). Make sure to ditch them when they don't hit though. Finally, I must point out that I do not claim to be a good player. Just to enjoy the game. You should weigh my advice against that of others and your own common sense. Snorbolus on 5. May 2003 12:24 Banning wrote: > Thanks for the advice it is very sound. Often the players I play against are quite passive > preflop but very agressive post-flop and as such I try to play as many "marginal" hands as > possible. This strategy works quite well in limit poker but if I am understanding what you > are saying correctly, it doesn't work to well in half or pot limit. It also appears that in a > pot limit game position becomes signifacantly more important based on the chance that one may > be forced to commit all of ones chips; is that correct? | ||
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| Re: Bad decisions, or smart decisions?, Snorbolus, 6. May 2003 05:29 | ||
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| One other thing. You need to be willing to go all-in when you play big bet poker. So don't buy in for all of your money. Keep at least one more buy in, in reserve. Otherwise it could be a short evening for you. Especially if you are playing in a home game, make sure that you are playing for table stakes. Snorbolus | ||
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