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 Phil Ivey's play last night, shorn, 1. May 2003 06:23 | ||
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| I was curious as to what people thought of Phil's move w/ AQs last night? Previous to that, he clearly looked like he had a read on Howard (who played really well too), especially the move he made with Q6s that made Howard fold his top pair of Kings. To me it looked like Phil was clearly shell shocked in the interview with DVP (they spelled his name wrong too in that segment...Ivy) which I suppose is understandable. I thought he made the right play to put that kind of pressure on Howard, but I am torn because he really only had a drawing hand at that point. Granted, by the turn card he had 15 outs to win, but you certainly can't expect that when you are making your pre-flop decisions. I wonder if 4 Poker has had a chance to ask him about that hand? | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, Big_Slick, 1. May 2003 07:33 | ||
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| I thougt that Q6 move was very risky. But then again, it worked out for him. I thought he played great except for that one play. He was lucky to live past that hand. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, 4 POKER, 1. May 2003 09:52 | ||
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| on 1. May 2003 06:23 shorn wrote: > I was curious as to what people thought of Phil's move w/ AQs last night? > Previous to that, he clearly looked like he had a read on Howard (who played > really well too), especially the move he made with Q6s that made Howard fold his > top pair of Kings. To me it looked like Phil was clearly shell shocked in the > interview with DVP (they spelled his name wrong too in that segment...Ivy) which > I suppose is understandable. > > I thought he made the right play to put that kind of pressure on Howard, but I > am torn because he really only had a drawing hand at that point. Granted, by > the turn card he had 15 outs to win, but you certainly can't expect that when > you are making your pre-flop decisions. > > I wonder if 4 Poker has had a chance to ask him about that hand? Sorry Shorn, Can't say that I have. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, shorn, 1. May 2003 10:04 | ||
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| That's OK. What did you think of the play? | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, 4 POKER, 1. May 2003 10:35 | ||
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| on 1. May 2003 10:04 shorn wrote: > That's OK. What did you think of the play? Hey Shorn, To be honest with you, I didn't see it; I was playing poker and was on the forum for a good portion of the night. It sounds like he made a crazy play based on the posts, but I didn't see it and I don't know exactly what happened, but I will say this... I, personally am not a tournament player,(have played very few of them) and I know tournament play is much different than other play, not to mention Phil is one of the best out there right now, so maybe he had a read on this guy, maybe he made a mistake, I don't know; All I do know is that I have seen some weird tournament play by top notch players and it amazes me sometimes when they come home with the money! But they're the experts, not me. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, shorn, 1. May 2003 10:47 | ||
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| I agree, Phil is definitely top notch and is completely on his game right now. Here is how the hand went down: Phil raises the pot to $12000 with AQs, Howard re-raises to $58,000 with KK; Phil goes all in (as the second plave chip position); Howard (quickly) calls and his Kings hold up. Prior to that, Phil had some great reads on Howard and made him lay down hands that he shouldn't have based on Phil's holdings. I guess my question to the forum is that with that chip poisition, your opponent showing significant strength by re-raising you, would people go all in with AQs? Perhaps Phil thought that even if Howard had a pair, it was lower than Queens, so he had six outs. Believe me, I don't want to sound critical of the play because God knows, I couldn't hold Phil's jock at the table. I was just curious as to how other people saw it and how they would have played in the same situation. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, Schuster, 1. May 2003 10:58 | ||
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| I was very surprised to see Phil go all in here too. I think I would have just called Howard's raise and seen a flop, but I'd be right in line with shorn to hold his jock at that table, so who knows. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, 4 POKER, 1. May 2003 11:25 | ||
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| on 1. May 2003 10:47 shorn wrote: > I agree, Phil is definitely top notch and is completely on his game right now. Here is how the hand > went down: Phil raises the pot to $12000 with AQs, Howard re-raises to $58,000 with KK; Phil goes > all in (as the second plave chip position); Howard (quickly) calls and his Kings hold up. Prior to > that, Phil had some great reads on Howard and made him lay down hands that he shouldn't have based > on Phil's holdings. > > I guess my question to the forum is that with that chip position, your opponent showing > significant strength by re-raising you, would people go all in with AQs? Perhaps Phil thought that > even if Howard had a pair, it was lower than Queens, so he had six outs. > > Believe me, I don't want to sound critical of the play because God knows, I couldn't hold Phil's > jock at the table. I was just curious as to how other people saw it and how they would have played > in the same situation. I think you'd really have to be there, In the game, because so many of the actions are based on previous actions and reactions. I can't say if I would have played Phil's hand any differently; and I'm not saying it was the correct play or the incorrect play; I don't have a strong feel for NL or tournament play so my opinions would only be based on "what I would do", and may very well be wrong given this entire situation. I do think that tournament players make mistakes regardless of the outcome, BUT, sometimes their reasoning combined with experience, having a great read on their opponent, and there current table image may very well play a big part when making these all important decisions and "moves". Sorry if I can't shed any light on this hand, I just don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to do so. Hey...at least I'm honest ! 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, Schuster, 1. May 2003 10:53 | ||
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| I was very surprised at the all in bet when he held Q6 and was even more surprised that the other guy laid down the AQ. As far as I could reason, each players thought process must have gone like this, although I might be completely off -- if someone has a better explanation, I'd love to hear it. Phil: This guy is a newer tournament player and will be expecting me to get him to fall into easy traps. So if I move in on him he will think I'm trapping him with AK, two pair, or trips and lay down his hopefully weak ace. Other guy (can't remember his name right now): Phil wouldn't jeopardize so many chips without a hand here. I've made it clear that I have an ace! He knows I am a newer tournament player, he is probably hoping I call him and he can take a huge pot off down and knock me out at the same time. If he has AK or better, I'm drawing really thin and it's definately not worth the gamble. I'll show him and stay alive in this tournament! Then again, maybe I'm way off, but I'd love to hear an explanation, because it has been puzzling me a bit since last night. If I am correct, Phil Ivey is one hell of a player to make a move like that! Lee | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, tron, 1. May 2003 16:05 | ||
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| Just a thought. He didnt want to risk all of his chips because the other guy had the lowest chip with 29k and he moved up the money ladder. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, Guru, 1. May 2003 14:45 | ||
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| I really enjoyed watching one last night. You had some great players going in for the showdown. I'm certainly no pro, either, but I was surprised by the number of shots that Phil took with weak cards. I understand that he may have been trying to steal a pot or two or setting an image (though I'm not sure how much he could change his image with players that knew him well). I just thought that some of those moves were a little too reckless. Of course Phil doesn't need any advice from me. The best part of the whole thing was watching Phil Ivy's face the whole time. His eyes are always moving. He looked annoyed the whole night. I get the feeling that's normal for him, but I just thought it was funny. Of course, I'd love to be a tenth as good a player as him. | ||
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| Re: Phil Ivey's play last night, Guru, 1. May 2003 14:48 | ||
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| I really enjoyed watching one last night. You had some great players going in for the showdown. I'm certainly no pro, either, but I was surprised by the number of shots that Phil took with weak cards. I understand that he may have been trying to steal a pot or two or setting an image (though I'm not sure how much he could change his image with players that knew him well). I just thought that some of those moves were a little too reckless. Of course Phil doesn't need any advice from me. The best part of the whole thing was watching Phil Ivy's face the whole time. His eyes are always moving. He looked annoyed the whole night. I get the feeling that's normal for him, but I just thought it was funny. Of course, I'd love to be a tenth as good a player as him. | ||
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