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 Have you tried professional poker instruction?, JasonHoldEm, 29. Apr 2003 15:47 | ||
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| Hi guys, I'm curious if anyone has expereince hiring a professional poker instructor, and if you would suggest this route as a way to increase your skills. Currently I consider myself an advanced beginner, mostly because I have not had the time to put the amount of effort into poker as it requires to progress beyond this stage of development. I play $5 and $10 sit-and-go tournaments as well as mirco-limit ring-games. With graduation just around the corner (and a summer of freedom before I have to start a "real" job), I plan to devote most of my free-time to playing and studying poker. By the end of summer I'd like to be playing 3/6 - 5/10 as well as sit and go tournaments of $30 and above. I know that's a big jump in a small amount of time, but I'm confident it can be done. I own most of the major poker books, and I fully intend to re-read and study them (probably several times) this summer. In addition to books/articles/2+2 forums/UPF, etc. I'm considering hiring the services of a professional poker instructor as a graduation gift to myself. I've done some investigating and I've found someone who is very knowledgeable (and well published) whose rates are very reasonable. I'd be purchasing a four hour block of his time and I could use this time essentially whenever I want to (there's no "expiration date" or anything). Personally, I think this would be a good "investment" I would be making in my poker education. I love these forums, but sometimes you learn things better one-on-one with someone and I'm more than willing to pay to recieve that knowledge. Also, getting solid direction in the early stages of my poker career will prevent me from developing bad habits that could haunt me for years. I'm confident that the lessons will pay for themselves many times over at the poker table in the future. I'm curious if anyone out there has taken lessons in the past and would be willing to share their expereinces. What areas did you focus on? What areas do you wish you'd received more instruction on? How did the interaction between student and teacher take place (email, telephone, face-to-face, etc)? Do you feel you spent your money wisely? Would you do it again? etc... Thanks, jHE | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, 4 POKER, 29. Apr 2003 16:02 | ||
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| If you are fortunate enough in knowing someone that you totally respect and admire in the poker business then I think you are making an excellent investment. I'm not sure how you would go about hiring someone to teach you, but if he/she is willing to cover everything including money management skills, discipline, and all of their poker knowledge then, go for it. It sounds to me that you are taking a positive approach to poker, good luck and let us know how you make out. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, Piers Majestyk, 29. Apr 2003 17:53 | ||
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| I'm sure it can't hurt you to get some input from a seasoned player but in my opinion I don't think you can do much better than to read every major poker book out and then reread them and then reread them and at the same time be putting in the hours at the table. Once you have a pretty thorough understanding of the basics and MAINTAIN YOUR DISCIPLINE you should be able to beat any 3/6 or 5/10 game on the planet. because most people simply won't play anywhere near their A game at all times and many of them at these limits don't have an A game. There are so many good books out now that will help you to increase your learning curve if you are only willing to head the wisdom. One of my favorites for a quick read is Caro's Fundamental Secrets of Winning Poker. Not the biggest or the most emcompassing but there are so many pearls of wisdom in it that just mastering the concepts in it should put you well on your way to becoming a very solid player. So bottom line is I don't think you can do much better than study on your own and put in the time at the tables. Take notice of how the best players at your tables handle certain situations and try to build your game around the best things you read and take in from play. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, JasonHoldEm, 29. Apr 2003 18:53 | ||
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| on 29. Apr 2003 17:53 Piers Majestyk wrote: > So bottom line is I don't think you can do much better than study on your own and put in > the time at the tables. Take notice of how the best players at your tables handle > certain situations and try to build your game around the best things you read and take in > from play. Good luck. I'm definately not looking at hiring someone as the "easy way out" or that I won't have to work after I do so. If anything I expect to work twice as hard, because I want to "get my money's worth". I still believe that expereince is the best teacher and that there's no way to get around that. The main reason I'm considering this is to help increase the steepness of my learning curve. I know having someone there that has expierience will help me "learn faster" from my mistakes, and possibly (although unlikely) prevent me from making a few in the first place. Also, I set the 3/6 - 5/10 range because I "know" that I can make it to that level during this summer, especially with the help of a coach. Ultimately, the sky is the limit, although it will take some time to get there :-) Thanks for you input. :-) jHE | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, Easy E, 30. Apr 2003 05:31 | ||
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| Jason, both Bob Ciaffone and David Sklansky supposedly hire out for lessons. I believe Roy West does also, I don't know if Mike Caro still does. As to the value of their lessons, others can speak to that. Hope that helps | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, Andrew Wells, 29. Apr 2003 21:37 | ||
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| Another option would be to have a very experienced player sit behind you for a few hours in a live session, such that they can see your cards. This is a good way to fix leaks in your game, as you may not even recognize areas that need improvement on your own. Someone sweating your hands can later identify the problems so you zero in on what needs work. | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, 4 POKER, 30. Apr 2003 00:03 | ||
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| on 29. Apr 2003 21:37 Andrew Wells wrote: > Another option would be to have a very experienced player sit behind you for a few > hours in a live session, such that they can see your cards. This is a good way to fix > leaks in your game, as you may not even recognize areas that need improvement on your > own. Someone sweating your hands can later identify the problems so you zero in on > what needs work. Absolutely... In fact, that would be the main reason for hiring a professional player. This way he could observe all of your plays, your decisions, your emotions, your table presence, and any bad habits that a new player might have. He would be able to moniter your money management, and could observe any forms of tilting, or poor discipline traits. Learning from a pro is great, so is reading, but to actually have the privelage of someone guiding you and teaching you "hands on", would be even better in my opinion. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Have you tried professional poker instruction?, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 08:49 | ||
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| An aquaintance of mine hired Annie Duke to help him with his tournament game. She did this in exchange for a cut of his profits for a period of time. He claimed that it was a great investment and he certainly did impress me with his tournament skills when I busted him last of everyone to win a small tournament ... though I only won because I was lucky enough to get monster hands against a couple of dumbbunnies who doubled up and then busted out to me early on - I was a giant chipleader at the final table through fortuitous fortune alone. Needless to say, from what I've observed of this player, if he was as good as me before he learned from her and she put him to being as good as he is, the monitary value on such an education would be very very high indeed. | ||
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