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 Beer Expenses, Crazy Eddy, 29. Apr 2003 15:12 | ||
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| Preface: I keep records and calculate my win rate. I am wondering what you folks do with expenses. I know everyone says dont drink but I do manage to drink 2 or 3 beers every session(usually 3-4 hours). Since I play 10-20 and beer plus tip is 5 bucks this affects my hourly rate. Same could be said for food. I guess I could pay cash but I am used to paying with chips. What others do would be of interest to me. Crazy Eddy | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, john ray, 29. Apr 2003 15:57 | ||
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| You have answered your own question. If you buy it it's an expense. IMHO John | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Snorbolus, 30. Apr 2003 05:44 | ||
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| They are your own personal records. Keep track of whatever interests you. Personally, the only reason that I keep win/loss records is to have some index of how well I play (I also make a few notes after each session as part of my effort to improve). I record my buy in, my cash out and my win/loss (cash out - buy in). I usually pay for any food, drinks, tips ect. with chips from my stack. At present I don't record these expenses, but I have been having a cold spell lately. If things don't improve I might, just to make my rate look a little more respectable. If you do keep track of other expenses you can ask questions such as "am I playing well enough to cover my beer?" Also, I only keep records for sessions that I play in casinos, not for the home games that I play in. That is mostly because I am too lazy (and often too drunk) after my home games. But it is also because we play a very wide mix of games. I know full well that I lose money hand over fist playing milk wagon and bouncing queens - especially after lots of beer. I don't need records to tell me that. Those games are more of an excuse to get together with my pals and have a ball, less about poker. Snorbolus on 29. Apr 2003 15:12 Crazy Eddy wrote: > Preface: I keep records and calculate my win rate. I am wondering what you folks > do with expenses. I know everyone says dont drink but I do manage to drink 2 or > 3 beers every session(usually 3-4 hours). Since I play 10-20 and beer plus tip > is 5 bucks this affects my hourly rate. Same could be said for food. I guess I > could pay cash but I am used to paying with chips. What others do would be of > interest to me. > > Crazy Eddy | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, shorn, 30. Apr 2003 05:50 | ||
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| I think it depends on exactly how accurate you want your records to be. I usually pay for food at the casino with points that I get from playing, but I do toke the waitresses from my stack. I don't keep track of it though because I consider it a cost of doing business (similar to toking dealers). | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Snorbolus, 30. Apr 2003 06:02 | ||
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| "Have I won enough to cover the cost of all the poker books, fancy chips and novelty packs of playing cards that I keep buying?" Is another question that I like to keep track of. Snorbolus | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Risky Business, 30. Apr 2003 08:20 | ||
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| Where on Earth are you paying for drinks while you play? At home? | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 08:43 | ||
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| In Canada, it is illegal for casinos to give you free alcohol or even to give you cheap alcohol. You can be the highest roller playing in the big pit at Niagara and you're still going to pay for your beer. I would imagine that a lot of states and countries have similar rules to prevent casinos from pushing liquor on their guests and using it as a method of relieving them of more money than they would otherwise part with. I think it's a great law. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, TKarrde, 30. Apr 2003 08:50 | ||
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| Same way at casino boats in the Midwest. Gotta pay for the alcohol. I just drool over the fact that everything is free or cheap in Vegas. One of these days I'll make it out there! And I disagree with Risky... I hate the law. Not that I want to get drunk at the poker table. TK | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 08:53 | ||
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| I think that it is a good law because it makes it harder for a casino to take everything from someone immediately. Poker is a game of slowly exanguinating your opponents and then you can truly say it is their own fault if they go broke over many sessions in the cardroom. Getting a gambler drunk to take his money is like getting a teenaged girl drunk to take her home - it isn't sporting and I think it stinks. Laws to prevent this sort of rube abuse are necessary to the protection of society. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, TKarrde, 30. Apr 2003 08:58 | ||
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| You are mostly likey correct in the big picture. I just want some free drinks and buffets!!! I've only played in a B&M casino a few times. How hard is it to get comped at these places? Can I get a free meal if I play $3-$6 for 4 hours? What does it normally take? How do they know how long I have been gambling? TK | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 09:08 | ||
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| Comps vary from place to place. Indeed, if I could get free drinks, I'd always spend my last half hour at the table with a couple of drinks in front of me and only play aces and kings. Casino Rama in Ontario comps you $0.50 worth of food for every hour that you play. Brantford where I call home doesn't comp poker players at all except to bring them free nonalcholic, nonfancy beverages. Generally speaking, to get comps, you get a players' club card and show it when you start playing and they make a note of it and your card gets credited, or you ask for a comp after you have been there for so long and they give you one if they think you deserve it. The 'sino down in Calgary (Elbow River Casino) just stops the games at 3:00am each night for half an hour and feeds all the players a free buffet - lets them eat at the tables. It is different everywhere, though I would imagine that in Vegas, competition has caused the setting of some standards. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Risky Business, 30. Apr 2003 11:09 | ||
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| Now this I would greatly support!! Eating at the tables could get horribly messy.........but I'm sure there's a new book on the way about the tells that people give while EATING!! Don't chew too fast or you'll be marked for top pair. And I'm sure your choice of food dictates tight or loose play. Well, Mr. Caro, anything to this? on 30. Apr 2003 09:08 stdioh wrote: > Comps vary from place to place. Indeed, if I could get free drinks, I'd always spend my last half hour at the table with > a couple of drinks in front of me and only play aces and kings. > > Casino Rama in Ontario comps you $0.50 worth of food for every hour that you play. Brantford where I call home doesn't > comp poker players at all except to bring them free nonalcholic, nonfancy beverages. Generally speaking, to get comps, > you get a players' club card and show it when you start playing and they make a note of it and your card gets credited, > or you ask for a comp after you have been there for so long and they give you one if they think you deserve it. > > The 'sino down in Calgary (Elbow River Casino) just stops the games at 3:00am each night for half an hour and feeds all > the players a free buffet - lets them eat at the tables. It is different everywhere, though I would imagine that in > Vegas, competition has caused the setting of some standards. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 1. May 2003 09:15 | ||
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| I'd just as soon not have eating going on at a table. Watching greasy Chinese yarfing down greasy Chinese in my Vancouver casino was enough to make me not feel like eating for the rest of the day. Then again, I could see casinos serving something neat and snacky like fruit plates or cheese and crackers or sumpin' snacky like that. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Risky Business, 30. Apr 2003 11:01 | ||
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| No no no!!! "Getting a gambler drunk to take his money....." I hope this was a quick thought thrown down on paper. Casinos don't need to get players drunk, that's been established by casino odds. Nobody ever MADE you drink free alcohol. It's free, not forced. I won't even address the inane comment about statutory rape being compared to casino poker. Ugh. C'mon, you're smarter than that I hope!! on 30. Apr 2003 08:53 stdioh wrote: > I think that it is a good law because it makes it harder for a casino to take everything from someone > immediately. Poker is a game of slowly exanguinating your opponents and then you can truly say it is their own > fault if they go broke over many sessions in the cardroom. Getting a gambler drunk to take his money is like | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 11:06 | ||
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| Perhaps I was a little bit hyperbolic there, but the free drinks are not intended as a perk...they are there to loosen purse strings, plain and simple. As for the statutory rape thing, I forget that you have to be 18 in the USA - in Canada it is 14, so teenagers are legal to play for, but getting anybody drunk for such purposes constitutes a no-no up here. What I'm getting at is that if casinos want to offer free stuff to entice guests there are plenty of things that they can give away *other* than alcohol. Giving away alcohol is certainly a way of inducing more action in house games and I think it smacks of imorality. I have no problems with the morality of gaming, but I think it should be done in an upright way and I think that plying your guests with liquor is far from upright in this venue. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Risky Business, 30. Apr 2003 11:15 | ||
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| 14 !!!! (If I knew how to say Oh my GOD in French, I would) Great for single men hanging on to their 20's...........horrible for married men with daughters. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Nathaniel Brous, 30. Apr 2003 11:37 | ||
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| on 30. Apr 2003 11:06 stdioh wrote: > What I'm getting at is that if casinos want to offer free stuff to entice guests there are plenty of things that they can give away *other* than alcohol. Giving away alcohol is certainly a way of inducing more action in house games and I think it smacks of immorality. I have no problems with the morality of gaming, but I think it should be done in an upright way and I think that plying your guests with liquor is far from upright in this venue. Hey stdioh. Don't think I am purposely getting on your case today, I'm not. With that said... I agree that giving away alcohol is self-serving, but I am not buying immoral. Casinos DO give away a great deal of things other than alcohol. Water, Soda, Coffee, Shows, Meals and Rooms to name a few. Those who govern established minimum age requirements to enter a casino in the first place. After you are "of age" you are considered an adult and able to make decisions for yourself. Drinking alcohol is a personal choice and I don't hold them responsible for offering it any more than I blame them for offering Gambling to the average Joe (who might be a compulsive gambler). - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 1. May 2003 09:20 | ||
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| Nathaniel - you make a good case. Everybody in the casino is old enough to know what they are doing and if they want to drink and gamble that is their business. Fair enough. Risky - technically the age in Canada is 12, but only if both participants are within 2 years of age of eachother. It is 14 unless the young person is a prostitute (which is legal here) - hookers have to be at least 16. And if the older person is in a "position of authority" over the young person, such as a teacher, then it becomes 18. However, most Canadians are havituated to American television and seem to think that under 18 is somehow illegal. As for 14 year old daughters, if some 20-something guy excercised his legal right to date my 14 year old daughter, I would excersize my parental (and not very legal) right to bend him into positions that would make gumby scream - most guys no better than to mess with nice girls who are way too young for them. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 08:38 | ||
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| First off, I consider anything I consume at the table to be inline with toking, but that is usually only white chips for tipping waitresses who bring free drinks and one milkshake in the middle of a long session - I don't factor in meals, since I eat whether I'm at the 'sino or elsewhere. So I would suggest that you count your beer money as part of the cost of doing business. That said, don't drink when you play cards. Alcohol and poker go together like bleach and amonia. Alcohol does affect your judgement and while it might take a lot to prevent you from driving a car or operating heavy machinery, even a small amount can really throw off the fine tuned bits of your brain that you don't even know about. Put it this way: pilots who haven't had alcohol within 24 hours of flying, but were drinking previous to that tend to have a 20-foot wider margin of error when landing a plane. Now 20 feet is nothing when you're on a 2 mile runway, but the point is that there is a lingering effect from tiny amounts of alcohol. Now I'm a big lad and I've been known to hold my booze with the rest of them. I once made one group of my school pals a fair bit of money off another group of my school pals by downing 38 black russians (with 38 cherries) in under an hour. I don't remember much, but I somehow followed the beer compas home that night and woke up in the morning hugging the toilet in the fraternity house's basement. I'd say that one drink at the card table costs me 1 BB per hour for 4 hours. Yup. I firmly believe that a single drink will disrupt the subtlety of my game enough to knock me from a winning player down to a marginally winning player. Add another drink and I become a loser. Put three or four in me over the course of the night and I am useless to the world of poker. Now that's not to say that there aren't games out there that I could beat if I were stone cold drunk, but where I play I need every piece of my brain working at maximum performance. Yes, I could be legally sober and competent enough to drive around the Pope, but my card playing judgement would suffer just a little bit and poker is all about the tiny edge that adds up over time. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Schuster, 30. Apr 2003 11:39 | ||
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| 38 in an hour?! Sheesh! Lee | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, Snorbolus, 30. Apr 2003 12:33 | ||
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| Yea, no wonder he was sick after eating all those cherries. on 30. Apr 2003 11:39 Schuster wrote: > 38 in an hour?! Sheesh! > > Lee | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, TKarrde, 30. Apr 2003 12:57 | ||
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| LOL!! 38 Cherries would make me sick too. 38 Black Russias would make me... come to think of it... I've never met a Black Russian. | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, shorn, 30. Apr 2003 13:16 | ||
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| 38 black russians in an hour would make me very very dead.... | ||
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| Re: Beer Expenses, stdioh, 1. May 2003 09:23 | ||
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| I think it could have killed me, had I not excused myself to empty my stomache about an hour later, immediately before stumbling up the steps and out of the Bombshelter (campus bar at the U of Waterloo). The number 38 came about because I had just polished off 2 beers prior to the proposition. As for the marischino cherries, I once ate a gallon of them (had a buddy who worked for Kraft and could get all their stuff at cost) in a 5-day work week to win a bet. I'm no Amarillo Slim, but I've been a fan of the proposition bets for some time. | ||
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