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 Practice poker at Paradise, Big_Slick, 28. Apr 2003 18:11 | ||
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| I've been playing 3/6 for play money at paradise. Is this anything like the money games they offer? Lots of loose play going on. What's a good strategy towards this type of play? Do you lower your opening requirements and tighten up after the flop? Thanks in advance! | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, Giocatore, 28. Apr 2003 18:50 | ||
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| The play money tables are NOTHING at all like the real money tables. The only time I would even consider playing at a play money table is to get used to a new site i.e. the graphics, set-ups, commands, etc. Whatever you do, do not consider what you do at the play money tables as practice. 99.9% of the people who play there play for fun, play any starting hands and will chase everything and anything to the river. Like I said, these tables are good for familiarizing yourself with a particular site but are not to be regarded as good practice, for the play money games are nothing at all like the real money games. | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, PeterNorth, 28. Apr 2003 21:13 | ||
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| Paradise is the hardest online poker room out there. Give party poker a try. | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, shorn, 29. Apr 2003 05:13 | ||
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| Peter- Is Party really that much easier? I have played pretty much exclusively at Paradise and other than playing at the higher limits (15-30 and 20-40) have found the games pretty beatable if you keep your discipline. Are you talking the very low limits (0.50/1 and 1/2) or are the 3/6 and 5/10 games easy too? I would like to have another option other than Paradise if the games are that salt-watery... Thanks, Steve | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, Schuster, 28. Apr 2003 21:54 | ||
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| In a game like that, drawing hands like suited connectors go up because you will get paid off better when you hit a flop. Big pocket pairs lose some of their value because they are less likely to hold up alone against more people. If you want some decent play for fake money, I'd suggest giving some of the play money tournaments a shot. The competition isn't super rigorous, but the people who really don't know what they're doing tend to lose pretty early, and then you can concentrate on good play against the remaining few reasonable players. I know party poker has a lot of selection for these, not sure about other places. Good luck! Lee | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, 4 POKER, 28. Apr 2003 21:54 | ||
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| I totally agree with Peter North. I'm really not sure why but Paradise Poker seemed to have many more flops that really favored multi-action play with maximum betting and raising. The "Miracle Card" was always there on the river. And my records have shown that since I switced to Party Poker my wins have been a lot more frequent. I feel like I'm playing in a real casino card room and not in some circus. 4 POKER | ||
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| Paradise is way too fishy, jdsalinger, 29. Apr 2003 11:53 | ||
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| at party poker, poker stars, and aztec is see the flop 19 to 21% of the time. At paradise at see it over 40.5% of the time. too many good hands are dealt there to ensure more action. some diff in % may be attributable to changing standards but honestly my standards stay pretty high and don't change much. too many times I've waited an got KK or QQ and always run into AA. anyone who has | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, stdioh, 29. Apr 2003 12:01 | ||
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| How many hands is this over? You'd need an increadibly high number of hands in all to make that judgement with any kind of reliability. Also, seeing 20% of flops is still very high. | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, Andrew Wells, 29. Apr 2003 12:20 | ||
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| I'm not sure that's necessarily so. I don't need a vast number of hands to be able to get a handle on how my opponents play. It isn't that much different to get a read on a whole table either. It doesn't take 1000 hours for a site to feel creepy, and it's not something that I'd want to stick around and quantify in that case. Ignoring instinct or intuition in a fight or flight situation can prove fatal. Besides, if one is not comfortable at a site then it's more than borderline bad judgment to continue there. Site selection is as important as table selection, and comfort level is one of those intangible requisites. | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, stdioh, 29. Apr 2003 12:49 | ||
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| I couldn't agree more. If you're getting a creepy oompa-loompa vibe, then it *is* time to clear out. I just don't think that you can really accuse a site without having a veritable tonne of data to support your argument. Accusations of "sumpin' kinda fishy" are ok at any time of course :) | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, jdsalinger, 29. Apr 2003 14:12 | ||
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| sadly I average too many hours at all sites. In the last couple of months I usually played 2 tables over at paradise. I play 50+ hrs. a week. More than enough to get a sample. Now you are correct that one shouldn't bad mouth without hard concrete evidence but what is happening is far too many deviations from the norm. Now I know you like UB a lot stdioh, are the hands being dealt there pretty normal? Because I've just watch lately and the first time I was there I saw back to back AA. But the randomness does seem somewhat normal although I'll need to watch more often | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, PeterNorth, 29. Apr 2003 14:22 | ||
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| The hell with paradise that is the hardest site to beat, why even waste your time I thought that a good game is a couple fish, a couple normal players and a couple of rocks that you can push off a pot. Paradise is way to tight aggressive try party poker. | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, MouseBeast, 29. Apr 2003 23:29 | ||
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| Well, the one thing ill say about UB is that there's a ton of people who stick around to see the flop. I might also note the fact that the one thing that impresses me most about UB is the site itself. The software runs really well, has little or no glitches, and looks great. Paradise and Partypoker both look like crappy java apps on steroids... real jumpy and such. If a site, like UB, looks and feels really good, that says alot about the admins. of it... they've spent the time and money to make it smooth.. eh.. just my two cents Keep it Squeaky, MouseBeast ~~(__)8> | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, stdioh, 30. Apr 2003 08:28 | ||
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| I've never noticed anything there that I would call untoward. | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, MouseBeast, 30. Apr 2003 11:44 | ||
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| No, i havent seen anything dodgy in the least either... i guess i was just snobbing alitle from the viewpoint of an old programmer. Keep it Squeaky, MouseBeast ~~(__)8> | ||
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| Re: Paradise is way too fishy, Big_Slick, 30. Apr 2003 18:45 | ||
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| I've never played for real money at Paradise but played for "play" money earlier in the week to familiarize myself with their site. I witnessed 4 4-of-a-kinds in the span of 2 hours. [In best Forrest Gump voice] That's all I've got to say about that. | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, Nathaniel Brous, 28. Apr 2003 22:09 | ||
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| on 28. Apr 2003 18:11 Big_Slick wrote: > I've been playing 3/6 for play money at paradise. Is this anything like the money games they offer? Lots of loose play going on. What's a good strategy towards this type of play? Do you lower your opening requirements and tighten up after the flop? Thanks in advance! If you're not sure that you are ready to invest money online, then it is good that you are pausing first. Giocatore is correct about play tables being pretty far from realistic. They give you a feel for the poker site and not much else. As far as the money tables goes, just go and watch them for a while. It doesn't cost a dime and you will get to figure out how they are playing. Just like playing in a casino, it's never a bad idea to scope the situation before committing to a table. Another suggestion might be to find a site that has short handed (like 5 seats) play money tables. You may stumble into a group that plays regularly (together) for fun but very seriously. I have witnessed these players ask habitual maniacs to move on to a table that does not care about the quality of play. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, flintsword, 29. Apr 2003 12:36 | ||
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| Play money tables are good to practice playing in a very general way and to get used to the site mechanics. Real $$ is quite different. Harder. You must focus and your opponents do too. If you "have to play with play money", then play in play money freerolls where at least there is a tangible prize if you come in first. The Pokerpages WSOP seat promotion is free to enter and first place (after three levels of some pretty serious poker) is a fully funded seat in a major tournament. Partypoker have $1 entry fee freerolls on a daily basis. Major benefit #1: You play "real players" instead of "it's play money anyways, so let's go" loosey-goosey recreational players. Major benefit #2: It is closer to the real money situation but you still have a good 50% of the super loose fish. Good transition. Sites generally get good turnouts for freerolls. Hope this helps. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Practice poker at Paradise, chasepoker, 29. Apr 2003 14:35 | ||
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| If you want to get some practice for real money try the " micro " tables with HE bets of $.05 and $.10 ( i think ) Poker stars and Plant Poker both have such tables. Or try the $1 comps at Poker stars good value for money if you are wanting time for you $ ( you may even win !!) I started playing on line 18 months ago and have played at most of the sites, i find they are really useful for getting a ' feel ' for the game and have since played in more and more tournys in BM. I am slowly getting better and more confident, read the good books, listen to the advice here - especialy Nathen B, 4 Poker,Stdioh and Andrew Wells - ( but question it dont believe it all !!!), play as much on line as you can ( practice makes perfect ) and always question what you are doing. Keep at it and be prepared, though dont expect, to lose your money for a few months. The one thing i would say is that as a starter ( like me ) sometimes the advice given in this forum isnt always applicable. By that i mean to beat low limit games i have found all i have to is play by the book and the games are easy to beat and if you apply everything said here to low limit games you may hurt yourself i.e. because a lot of low limit players wont even realise when you slow play your straight flush and would call your bet anyway go ahead and bet ! There you go a bit of a ramble but hey thats too much coffee and online poker for you. 7 High's Chasepoker | ||
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