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 Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, flintsword, 26. Apr 2003 14:17 | ||
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| On ParadisePoker, you can keep notes on players. So far my notes are pretty primitive. 1) Hands played (eg) "MP raise w 67o", "LP call w 72o", "slowplayed AA", "reraised w KJo" 2) Type of player (eg) "GP" [good player], "LA" [loose aggressive], "TA" [tight aggressive], "TP" [tight passive], "CS [calling station] Aside from the ever humourous <(((((><) , what other shorthand notes can anyone suggest for online notes? Thanks for any advice. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, john ray, 26. Apr 2003 18:11 | ||
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| Might be a good place to list some of the on-tells u suggested earlier. John | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, flintsword, 26. Apr 2003 18:34 | ||
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| Good point. Some kind of abbreviated code for the various tells noted. It makes sense and codifying any tells would paint a better picture than just past hands. I was actually interested in some examples of notes other players might use, but your idea to take jake-free's list of tells and using them in notes is a good idea. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, Andrew Wells, 27. Apr 2003 06:39 | ||
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| Two critical characteristics which are important to track for hold'em players regardless of their overall playing ability are: How they handle sets, and if they are aggressive with good draws on the flop. So add a notation like "Slowplay set" as this is something that a lot of players do consistently. Another note for "Reraise flush draw" is also helpful. You can always remove the notation later if this proves to be invalid. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, flintsword, 27. Apr 2003 10:04 | ||
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| Two great ideas, thank you! I was already watching for slow-players, but only pairs. Reraising flush draw is something interesting and will start recording it. Is reraising a flush draw a significant impact on your earn rate? Up to now I have it filed under the "How to lose money in a big pot" category. Granted, if the Pot Odds are there, I would bet it. Is the folding factor high enough to be a money maker even off pot odds? Thanks for the info though, most of the info I get at this forum is NOT in books, and your insight into the game is appreciated. flintsword | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, Andrew Wells, 27. Apr 2003 13:11 | ||
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| It's a sure sign of loose aggressive play. The idea being to hope to disguise your draw so that if you hit you will get extra bets. The pot now made larger tends to encourage that crying call on the river when you hit the draw. The point is that players who are this aggressive with the flush draw tend to play them this way most of the time. So to know who does or does not play this way is a great help in deciding what to do when the turn comes. You tend to play back more often when the third card of a suit doesn't hit on the turn, as there's more reason to believe you have the best hand. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, Giocatore, 27. Apr 2003 17:18 | ||
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| Hi Flintsword. One note that I like to make on opponents is "Keep this guy to my right." Also, BB defenders. Once in a full 20/40 ring game, I called 2 bets in middle position with KK, knowing the first raiser held AK, AQ, or AJ and hoping to sucker another $20 from the BB. Big mistake because of course the BB called with 57o, flop was perfect for me, no aces, one 5 and of course a 7 hit the river, cracking my KK. So being aware of how BBs defend their blinds, I will now 3 bet a pre-flop raise with strong starters and make it too expensive for a BB to defend with something cheesy like 57o. But the notes I most frequently make are with respect to position. So if I'm on a waiting list for a table, wanting to sit in a game with a known sucker, but the only seat available is, say, 2 spots to HIS right, I won't take it and instead rejoin the list hoping for a better position. Hope this helps. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, flintsword, 27. Apr 2003 19:37 | ||
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| Great idea and it joins my list. Thank for the input! One question, in your 20/40 ring game with KK, how did you exclude AA from the possible holdings of the first raiser? Just curious, as it occurs to me that AA would raise also. Thanks in advance. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, Giocatore, 27. Apr 2003 19:54 | ||
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| on 27. Apr 2003 19:37 flintsword wrote: > Great idea and it joins my list. Thank for the input! > > One question, in your 20/40 ring game with KK, how did you exclude AA from the possible > holdings of the first raiser? Just curious, as it occurs to me that AA would raise also. > > Thanks in advance. Just a hunch...but when an ace didn't flop and I knew I had top pair, I raised his initial bet, BB called those 2 bets and he also called but folded on the turn. Thus, he was undoubtedly chasing the ace. Besides, every time I 3-bet with KK an ace will flop, it's uncanny yet true. So that's why I just cold called but in doing so allowed the BB to call for only $20 more, and of course he chased down his 5 outs and got lucky on the river. Next time, in a similar situation, I will look to see who the BB is before deciding whether to just call or make it 3 bets, because if the BB's the type of player who will call with anything, like this particular player with 5-7o, I will make it more expensive for him to do so in future games. Thus the player notes really do come in handy in online poker. But going back to the notes, "Keep this guy on my right," let me know how you make out on that because I've been successful with these types of players. I'm curious to see how you'll do. Thanks and good luck. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, shorn, 28. Apr 2003 06:44 | ||
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| One other thing that I note on Paradise is whether a player can be bluffed out at the river with 2nd or third pair. I don't want to waste $$ a second time if they won't fold it. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, flintsword, 28. Apr 2003 07:01 | ||
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| Good point. I put down "folder" for the players that can't stand pressure but perhaps something more specific. Is there any benefit from identifying river folders from flop folders? Just occurred to me now that the distinction could be useful. Again thanks for the tip, my notes are getting better. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, shorn, 28. Apr 2003 07:18 | ||
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| I think river folders are much more important to note because heads up with a semi-raggedy board, you can bluff them out more often than not and win numerous bets. Often, most types of players will fold a raggedy flop that is bet into so you can't really tell one from the other. However, there are many many players who will always call (even with 4th pair) when the pot has more than 6 bets in it, so bluffing them with your missed draw is no good (a "saved bet" note). More importantly, I want to note the players that WILL fold in that situation so that I can win 6 or more hours income that I normally wouldn't win. | ||
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| Re: Practical advice: Online Poker notes?, flintsword, 29. Apr 2003 21:58 | ||
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| So you have "Saved bet" to record players that are not bluffable no matter the holdng and "river folder" to identify the player that folds at the river. Thanks for the details ... my notes are getting better. | ||
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