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7 card stud hi lo 8 or better, Lubliner, 26. Apr 2003 07:54
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Is there anything out there that speaks specifically to this game? First three cards, raising, etc.?

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Re: 7 card stud hi lo 8 or better, 4 POKER, 26. Apr 2003 12:25
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Ray Zee's seven card stud hi low for advanced players is a very informative book.
The best starting hands for seven stud hi low are as follows:
1. Rolled up (3 of a kind to start)
2. Three cards to a low straight flush (5,6,7 of hearts)
3. Three small cards to a straight
4. Two small cards with an Ace (3,4,Ace)

There are many combinations of low starting hands, however the ones that can also make a high hand will play so much stronger.
Example: If you start with 3,4,5 you can make a straight in five cards.
If you start with 7,8,2 you can make a low but will the hand as too many gaps in it to make any kind of decent high hand out of it. And if you do happen to make the low then you will be making a low that is an 8-7X X X; not a very vavorable low hand in stud hi low. For if anyone else is the hand drawing to the low side your 8-7 low will be in great danger of taking half the pot.
I always play low hands that can easily back in to high ones as well- they have greater scoop posibilities. The (3) examples above #2thru4,
are very strong starting hands and play very well against a full field or a short field. If you happen to be in hand heads up with a high hand, you're best low starting hand would be one that contained an Ace. That being because if you catch an Ace going down you can now possibly have the best hand and may not even have to hit your low draw. You can also hit the Ace to make Aces and you can also make the low as well. Another point here is: when you make your low whether it be in five cards or in six, once you make it you can bet and raise with impunity for you can also back into a high hand as well and scoop the whole pot. (just make sure the player against you has only high cards and can not back into a better low then yours).Example: if your opponent starts with a Q doorcard and then catches 9, K, 7, then you don't need to worry about him backing into a low that can beat you and also beat you for high as well. But if your opponent starts with a Q and then catches 3 baby cards you must be very careful as to not raise this hand with only a low unless you have made a strong high hand to go with it, like a straight or trips, because now you can be scooped. (if he started with pocket Aces and his doorcard is a Q, if he catches 3 consecutive low cards, he can very easily make a better low then you and his one pair of Aces may beat you as well. So be very cautious when playing in these type of situations.
Heads up play is the most difficult play of all when playing stud hi-low because you have to be so careful if your opponent is drawing to the same side of the pot with you- if you're both on low draws you must hit 2 perfect cards in a row to continue with this hand if you plan on getting half or scooping. If your opponent catches "good" before you do, you might be better off throwing your hand away now; especially if it's on 4th or 5th street. Unless your low draw is really strong, don't hang in there to the river just to try and get your money back- surrender early and save those extra bets. If your playing heads up and you wind up splitting the pot then all you're doing is getting your own money back, there will be absolutely no profit for either of you. Don't chase down a hand that can only allow you to do just that- if you get out early you will save all those big bets, however if you continue with this non-hopeful scoop hand, the best you can do is break out even but the worst you will do is lose two to three big bets.

There are more variables to this game- like playing the high hands, big pairs, three to high straight flush and so on, but, If you're seriously trying to get the most out of this game, concentrate on sticking to very strong low starting hands and you will give yourself a better chance of being a winning stud hi-low player.
(there's a chapter in this book that covers the high starting hands. I suggest you read up on the game before getting too involved).
An experienced hi-low player will have a very big advantage over his opponents.

Good luck.

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