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 pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, 3Kings, 24. Apr 2003 06:07 | ||
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| Besides looking for a new game, what do you do when you are playing at a table where it is always raised pre-flop, most of the time at least three bets? From what I have read and heard, you wait for premium hands and hope they are good. T One guy was the biggest problem. He would three-bet preflop with 62o and cap the flop with bottom pair sometimes even no pair. In the biggest pot of the afternoon that I saw, J5o made it 3-bets after the maniac raised. Three people called and the maniac capped. When it was all said and done, the flop came J 5 8 rainbow. The flop was capped. The turn was a J. The turn was bet and raised and then the river was also bet and raised. Turns out someone else had 88 and flopped a set and lost it when the J hit the turn. The pot was over $500 in a 10-20 game and the guy with 88 didn't even make any of the raises. I'm thinking high suited cards and high pairs and throw away anything else. What would most of you do? | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, john ray, 24. Apr 2003 06:26 | ||
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| Just wanted to jump in before you got a response. Is the game plan of these loose raisers to try and get the rest of the table off their game ? Also, alot has been argued about which side of him to be on but if he gets a couple of players on tilt isn't button position even more important. John | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, Swagman, 26. Apr 2003 19:42 | ||
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| I want the maniac to be to the left of me. Cuz his raises don't frighten me, especially if he is raising with crap like 6,2o. Knowing that he is a soft raiser is all you need to know. Having him to your right is weak cuz its only let's you know for sure if he raises are not, and that's a kinda of gimpy why of approaching the game. It also creates a better opportunity to isolate him, but im not so sure that's what u wanna do all the time. Because his raise will thin the field enuff anyways and u want more people in to keep the pot bigger. The advandage of having him betting after you is enormous it will let you know who is gonna call his raise after he has raised it, and it also allows you to re-raise. Trust me you want this fellow at your table. Maniacs that raise preflop with 6,2o suit are so much your friend. that you should give them money to buy in with, really. | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, Roy Cooke, 24. Apr 2003 06:51 | ||
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| Try and get position on the loosest most aggressive players and isolate them with hands that can win without improving. If you have no shot to isolate...DON'T get into raising wars with them with marginal hands...It just gives them a better price post-flop to draw out on you. Roy Cooke on 24. Apr 2003 06:07 3Kings wrote: > Besides looking for a new game, what do you do when you are playing at a table > where it is always raised pre-flop, most of the time at least three bets? From > what I have read and heard, you wait for premium hands and hope they are good. > T > One guy was the biggest problem. He would three-bet preflop with 62o and cap > the flop with bottom pair sometimes even no pair. In the biggest pot of the > afternoon that I saw, J5o made it 3-bets after the maniac raised. Three people > called and the maniac capped. When it was all said and done, the flop came J 5 > 8 rainbow. The flop was capped. The turn was a J. The turn was bet and raised > and then the river was also bet and raised. Turns out someone else had 88 and > flopped a set and lost it when the J hit the turn. The pot was over $500 in a > 10-20 game and the guy with 88 didn't even make any of the raises. > I'm thinking high suited cards and high pairs and throw away anything else. > What would most of you do? | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, TKarrde, 24. Apr 2003 07:14 | ||
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| Dumb beginner question. What does it mean to "isolate"? And does one attempt to do that? Thanks, TK | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, 3Kings, 24. Apr 2003 09:31 | ||
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| on 24. Apr 2003 07:14 TKarrde wrote: > Dumb beginner question. What does it mean to "isolate"? And does one attempt to do > that? > > Thanks, > > TK Isolate means to get the loose raiser by himself. If he is raising with anything which is what this guy was doing, playing Ace high COULD win without improvement. In response to Roy's post, I thought about doing that but even when the loose raiser raised, there were always two or three callers. Plus the guy to my immediate right would raise pre-flop just "for something to play for". there wasn't a seat at the table that I could move to where I would have an advantage over these raisers. Believe me, I thought about it. The funny part about this is when I moved to the main table where there were better players, I won almost all my money back that was sucked from the table. Of course, I did flop 3 kings on back to back hands which probably explains some of it | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, ice, 24. Apr 2003 17:34 | ||
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| that game is pretty nuts... if you can't find another table, i would just sit tight until you catch premium hands, or high wired pairs.... not much else you can do, and its not like you can bet any of them down, so they might catch two pair on the turn then the river or something lucky like that. I think this is a good example when to play the opposite that everyone else at the table is playing... just tighten up. *********** ¡¢£ßøx | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, Tommy waggoner, 25. Apr 2003 01:03 | ||
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| I agree, in loose aggressive games, you shouldn't be playing many hands, and it can get very boring watching all of the wonderfull action, and not participating, but that's the way to go. You are looking for just a few key pots, to book a nice win in these kind of games. | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, 4 POKER, 25. Apr 2003 01:09 | ||
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| on 25. Apr 2003 01:03 Tommy waggoner wrote: > I agree, in loose aggressive games, you shouldn't be playing many hands, and it can > get very boring watching all of the wonderfull action, and not participating, but > that's the way to go. You are looking for just a few key pots, to book a nice win in > these kind of games. Well stated. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, Swagman, 26. Apr 2003 04:36 | ||
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| I play mainly 10/20 games with a kill. But im looking for the kind of game your describing. Loose actions with many raises before and after the pot. And aggression means icing on the cake cues your gonna have a lot more people in the pot continuing to build it. If you seeing raises and not understanding them it generally means your outclassed or your facing opponents with a large bank rolls and too much to drink. If its the former then learn from them, if its the latter then take the drunks money. But trust me this is the game you want to learn to play. I don't have choices anymore as to what tables I play at but when I did this is the table I was looking for. In my humble opinion hold'em really is a game of raising and folding, so the type of game your talking about fits in with my reasoning. Just remember being aggressive is an asset but being too loose will cost you. Tighten up pre-flop in these kinds of games. Make sure in early position you cards can stand a raise are even two bets. Playing in late position will give you the chances you need to be more conservative, Knowing that those aggressive players will try to overwhelm you after the flop with flurries of raises, this is when you can pounce on them. You were lucky to have that experience. Think about the opportunities that table offers you a little more. | ||
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| Re: pLAYING IN A LOOSE AGRESSIVE GAME, stdioh, 28. Apr 2003 09:19 | ||
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| When I find myself in a loose agressive game, I try to get each player pigeonholed and then play against them appropriately depending on who is doing the preflop raising. That said, I find that the best thing to do in a loose agressive game is become tight and strong. I'll fold the vast majority of hands, but when I do pick one to play I won't be folded off of it easily. I'll be tight, agressive, and strong. I'll 4-bet my overpairs, etc. | ||
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