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 Home Poker Hold Em, TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 09:01 | ||
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| I play with a bunch of guys that don't necessarily play by the book. Like I have said before, they don't allow check-raising. But also... when we play ALL games use an ante rather than a blind. We play alot of Hold Em and Omaha. Under an Ante structure should I pay to see the flop more than I would under regular circumstances? TK | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 09:07 | ||
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| Maybe I should have just read the thread below. Sorry. TK Made the post because I am the only poker player in the group that tries to learn the game and I was the first person out of a 6 player tournament (which we call a shoot-out). I have a feeling that I was folding too much trying to play the way I normally play. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, Paul Stine, 23. Apr 2003 09:17 | ||
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| on 23. Apr 2003 09:01 TKarrde wrote: > I play with a bunch of guys that don't necessarily play by the book. Like I > have said before, they don't allow check-raising. But also... when we play ALL > games use an ante rather than a blind. We play alot of Hold Em and Omaha. > Under an Ante structure should I pay to see the flop more than I would under > regular circumstances? > > TK It depends on the size of the call you have to make relative to the size of the ante. If you are playing 8 handed, $1-$5 spread with a $1 ante, there are a lot of hands that merit calling $1 pre-flop. Paul Stine College Station, TX Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 09:23 | ||
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| These guys are really unimaginative. Every hand goes about like this. 6 Players. Ante is 50¢. All rounds of betting are 50¢. We have no idea as to the number of raises allowed as there usually isn't that much action. And if there is they ususually make it up as they go. So pretty much EVERYONE pays $1 to see the flop. If it really misses then some get out. But most hold on. They are for the most part all calling stations. They all want one bet to go around. If no one bets then someone on the end does and they all call. If anyone raises they all get miffed. And like I said... don't dare bring up a check raise. For the most part they all want to play BINGO. Everyone gets dealt two cards then we all pay a bet every round. Flip them up on the end and best hand wins. Always. My strategy has always been to try and get out early when I have a hand that doesn't have much chance of hitting. Good thing I found internet poker. ;) | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, noiseboy, 23. Apr 2003 09:21 | ||
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| It's totally OK to play Omaha and Hold'em with an ante. My home game does the same thing because it would seem unfair if on some games everyone has to put in money to start, but you call Hold'em and then only the people with the worst position have to pay. It's even better for the people who know how to play, because the ante encourages the people that aren't Hold'em experts to get involved with hands that they shouldn't play. However, this no check raising rule is against the spirit of poker. The whole idea of poker is deception and if you disallow actions that make your play less predictable, you have sucked a great deal of the beauty and fun from the game. Also, check raising is the only advantage that people in early position have to offset the enourmous advantage that people in late position have knowing so much more information about the hands that are out. If you have trouble convincing your friends that check raising is OK, you might point out that it is allowed in 99.9% of casinos that offer poker. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, Wren, 23. Apr 2003 09:31 | ||
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| One thing we like to do at our (dealer's choice) homegames is play a full round of each game that is called. By doing this, flop games can be played the normal way (ie using blinds) without causing a disadvantage to any of the players. The downside, of course, is that most players prefer certain games over others, and some of these players might get miffed at having to endure 6 or 7 consecutive rounds of the same disliked game. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, stdioh, 23. Apr 2003 10:02 | ||
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| Yeah, we'd be playing POSHER and end up having one guy calling stud8 and ten people calling hold'em or omaha. Inevitably, somebody would call Razz just to bug somebody else. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, 4 POKER, 23. Apr 2003 10:33 | ||
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| The only type of home game that would favor a really good poker player would be a game in which only the "real" forms of poker were spread. I would never play "bingo" or games that had two flops or any of the other crazy games. These type of games are gambling games that create a lot of action but take away from the skill of poker. And why would you play in a home game that doesn't allow check-raising? So many people think it's unethical to check-raise but that is a big part of poker and has been since the game has been discovered. It also gives the experienced player more of an advantage; I think you should reconsider that part of your game because everything you mentioned seems to favor the inexperienced players. I guess if you're all in agreement to these types of games it's ok, but this can't be really good practice for someone who is trying to improve their game. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 12:05 | ||
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| Can't say we are all in agreement but it is difficult for the educated minority to be heard. I have gotten one guy to play poker online and am getting close to having a couple others try the casino. Maybe I can get the boat to shift. Until then I'll probably be donating just to be socializing. But you are right. It doesn't help my game any. Anybody got any "tricks" to put a calling station or maniac on edge (I would have said "on tilt" except by definition I think the maniac is already there). TK | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, stdioh, 23. Apr 2003 13:48 | ||
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| > Anybody got any "tricks" to put a calling station or maniac on edge (I would have said > "on tilt" except by definition I think the maniac is already there). Yes, one foolproof tip. Play. The longer you play, the better you will do against them, theoretically. Thus they will lose and lose and lose and the more they lose the worse they will play. This usually goes on until some great catharsis wherein the Bad Bad Poker Player (BBPP) either straightens up or quits poker. I find that in general it is the latter, not the former. The BBPP quits and swears off poker, takes a couple of weeks off, gets over his lumps, then comes back and continues to play like shiznat. Yes, it is sad, but this is how we pay our rent. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 14:04 | ||
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| Do you really pay rent with poker money? You hear about that, but that seems almost like a mythical Hollywood thing. Yeah, there are those big dogs out there that run the tournament gambit. But does a local Joe pay his rent with poker money? You gotta understand... I'm a very conservative person. If you would have told me a year ago that I would have been gambling on line I would have laughed at you. I thought gambling on line was a horrid thing. And did really care much for the Casinos. Before meeting the "wrong crowd" and being convinced to go with them to a casino, I had only been to a casino once in my life before this past fall. Now I have gone a whopping... onetwothreefourfive.... six. Yes, six times. I've always liked the occassion home game. Back in college we used to play penny poker about every weekend. (I'm not sure if we ever knew who "won" those bingo games.) But gambling?? That was no-no. And should only be done for entertainment. Yes.... I've led a sheltered life. :) So it just seems weird that people would play poker to pay the bills. Besides.... how would it work? If you say you should average 1BB per hour... Let's say you are good... and you play at $10-$20 table. If you worked an "eight hour day" you would make $160. Times 5 would be $800. Times 50 weeks would be $40k. Not bad if you aren't paying taxes on it. Although technically you are suppose to. But we won't tell Uncle Sam. I guess that isn't a bad living. But I'll keep my day job. Besides, isn't there a point when it is no longer fun... when you no longer get that rush of bluffing an opponent or dragging a big pot after flopping quads (not that I know how that feels). Don't think I am ripping on anyone. Just curious. This midwestern boy has led a very sheltered life. (I need a good exit line.... like Straght Flushes) TK | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, Andrew Wells, 23. Apr 2003 14:23 | ||
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| The "fun" is the same as trying to figure out a puzzle in logic. With enough experience you do lose the "rush" from bluffing successfuly or catching a big hand and getting paid off. When you play for a living, it is a job - you don't play for adrenaline surges. Just try to play each hand the very best you can, and let the money take care of itself. There are also a few pros that can squeak by playing less than 10-20 but that assumes their expenses are minimal as well. My biggest concern is some unforseen major medical situation. Contrary to popular belief, free care has a lot of red tape and you have to justify how you are paying the rent to qualify. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 14:46 | ||
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| Could make it hard getting credit cards or financing too, I would think. It is a romanticized profession but when you get down to it I guess it is still just a job. For those that play to pay the bills, I wonder what the top 5 things about playing poker for a living would be. And the worst 5 things? | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, Andrew Wells, 23. Apr 2003 15:06 | ||
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| If you go bust, there should be something you can fall back on. Get your education first and don't jump into poker full time right away. You probably can't get less than the worst interest rates from credit card issuers, but you shouldn't be borrowing from banks to cover losses. One or two cards for air, hotel, or car rentals should be sufficient. Just about anything else that needs plastic can come off a debit card linked to checking. You don't want to be carrying a balance anyway. Instead work on building a separate bankroll slowly while you hold a full time job. That gives you experience on the weekends, and a safety net to recover from going bust. I've gone bust many times, it can happen to anyone. If I bust again, I'll go back to writing software if possible. Even now, I'll still freelance if the right opportunity knocks. I may have to work a job I don't like for awhile if I need to rebuild, but it would only be demoralizing - not the end of the world. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, stdioh, 28. Apr 2003 08:59 | ||
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| I couldn't agree more. My family has always been very big on one idea: that every man should have a profession and a trade. My father's been in business his whole life and it is his profession, but he has a workshop in the basement and has made carpentry his hobby and a passionate hobby at that. If, during his lifetime, he had fallen on hard times, he could have very easily been gainfully employed doing carpentry. That said, I consider poker to be my trade. I want to maintain my employment in software (or something else eventually maybe) for ever, but I want to keep playing poker on the side and know that if the fit hits the shan, so to speak, I can support myself with cards. | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, stdioh, 28. Apr 2003 08:56 | ||
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| Yes, I do pay my rent with poker, but that is all I pay with it (more or less). I have a day job from which I make my living. Poker is a side thing. I play about 50 hours per month and most of that is spent at the 10-20. At $20 per hour I have $1000 per month coming in which is more than my rent. Also, I live in Canada, so I don't have to pay tax on this money - I don't even have to report it on my taxes. So the long and short of it is, if all I did was play poker, I wouldn't be making all that much, but by doing it in my spare time (and still having fun at it) I can make my standard of living that much nicer. Add to that the fact that my time waiting for a table, driving to the casino, etc, is spent in the company of the lovely Wren, and that's downright tollerable :) | ||
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| Re: Home Poker Hold Em, 4 POKER, 24. Apr 2003 07:28 | ||
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| on 23. Apr 2003 12:05 TKarrde wrote: > Can't say we are all in agreement but it is difficult for the educated minority to be > heard. I have gotten one guy to play poker online and am getting close to having a couple > others try the casino. Maybe I can get the boat to shift. Until then I'll probably be > donating just to be socializing. But you are right. It doesn't help my game any. > > Anybody got any "tricks" to put a calling station or maniac on edge (I would have said > "on tilt" except by definition I think the maniac is already there). > > TK Absolutely, If I'm playing up against someone who's on tilt I will try to isolate him and bet my hands in an unclear fashion. I would check-raise him more, I would just check and call alot of the times(just letting him dust off his money to me), and when I felt that he just couldn't get a read on me anymore- I would definitely (no question about it) show him a bluff. When ever you have the opportunity to show a bluff do it!! Puts 'em right on tilt- especially if they're already there!! And don't worry about him leaving the game... he'll still be there, remember, he's on tilt!!! (KEEP IN MIND, a maniac player will always play like a maniac, BUT, a person on tilt will not. Keep your eyes open, he might just snap out of it). 4 POKER | ||
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