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 Newbie (sort of ;) ), ice, 21. Apr 2003 21:33 | ||
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| I just got into poker this year, and love hold-um. Whenever i aquire a new interest, i tend to immerse myself by reading and doing; I didn't do anything different with poker. I've begun to read/accumulate what is said to be the leading sources of poker knowledge, and i heed most of the advice presented. I have also sparked the interest of quite a few of my friends to play with me. So im reading/playing/learning, but here is my problem. My location/my age. No casinos nearby (and gambling is apparently quite illigal in my state, something i plan on researching tonight) and even if i was to get to a casino, im not old enough to get in. So im pretty much playing with a bunch of 'kids' my own age, the games are unbelievebly loose and easy (hold-um is always very short handed, which just compounds how loose the game is), and i really am trying to find more/better games to test myself in (just because i can do very well in the situations at the games i host, i know it doesn't mean jack in the real poker world) i guess im discouraged because i can't find harder/higher limit games, and i can't just drive to a casino, because they would turn me away. Right now, i just plan on reading/studying as much as i can until i can engage in a more formal/real/tighter game... but i yearn to learn by doing also (and like most people, i learn better that way). reading all the books in the world about poker arn't going to improve my game unless i can apply it to a real life game. Really, im just venting my situation right now, im glad i found such a great poker community online. I don't expect any of you to have any sort of response to my ramble, or any help at all ;) I'll be playing with the kiddies for a while still i guess. if your curious, im 3 years and a few months away from getting into a game on the strip in vegas. (not like im counting or anything ;) ) | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), 4 POKER, 21. Apr 2003 22:03 | ||
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| Hi, I'm curious... how old ARE you? A friend of mine started playing poker in the casinos well before he was of legal age. He was one of the brightest players I have ever seen. He is also one of the top tournament players today. I suggest you keep reading, absorb as much as you can, play in home games to get some practice and then move to a state where they have legalized gambling!! 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), ice, 21. Apr 2003 22:06 | ||
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| haha, i thought i hinted at it, but it must have slipped my mind ;). im 17, 18 in july. and yep, thats my plan exactly! too bad ive got quite a few years to go ;) oh well, at least it gives me a few years to build up an extra 10,000 for the WSOP buy-in (just kidding... ;) ) | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), 4 POKER, 21. Apr 2003 22:17 | ||
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| On 21. Apr 2003 22:06 ice wrote: > haha, I thought I hinted at it, but it must have slipped my mind ;). im 17, 18 in july. > and yep, thats my plan exactly! too bad ive got quite a few years to go ;) oh well, at > least it gives me a few years to build up an extra 10,000 for the WSOP buy-in (just > kidding... ;) ) ...No need for "the just kidding part", anything is possible- remember that. Having big dreams and a strong desire for something makes your goals that much more attainable. Good luck to you. 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), ice, 21. Apr 2003 22:24 | ||
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| thanks for the support 4POKER. maybe a few years down the road, we'll be bumping elbows at some holdum table. and in reality, i wasn't joking, just trying to keep myself in the real world (love the reality checks, essp. when im sleep deprived) thanks again, see you around. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), stdioh, 22. Apr 2003 07:33 | ||
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| Hey Ice. It's great to have you here in this community and I'm glad to hear that younger players are coming into the game. First, what state are you in? Lots of states don't licence casinos and cardrooms, but allow you to have a homegame that isn't raked. You might be able to find a game near you and get a seat...though you'd have to lie to them about your age. Second, how old can you look? Fake IDs are illegal, but they work. Third, ever hear of Eric123? He made something like $600,000 on UltimateBet before it was discovered that he was a highschool kid. Nobody checks your ID on the internet. You can put money in there via NetTeller through your bank account and play online. Fourth, when you are 18, there are a lot of Canadian provinces that you can play in. We get a lot of 19 and 20 year old Americans coming up to Brantford to play (in Ontario you have to be 19). You can play at 18 in Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Quebec...probably others too. Check ahead what the drinking age is in the province you intend to go to and the gambling age is the same. So if you're near the border you could do a weekend poker road trip from time to time. Fifth, and most important, there is always time to make money. Nobody ever said, "My life has gone to hell because I wasn't able to play poker this month." ... well...maybe if you were already a pro. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), ice, 22. Apr 2003 14:25 | ||
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| on 22. Apr 2003 07:33 stdioh wrote: > Hey Ice. It's great to have you here in this community and I'm glad to hear that > younger players are coming into the game. > > First, what state are you in? Lots of states don't licence casinos and cardrooms, > but allow you to have a homegame that isn't raked. You might be able to find a game > near you and get a seat...though you'd have to lie to them about your age. I live in NH. I'm actually in the same town as Dartmouth College. I know that's where David Reese educated himself on poker, maybe i can just stroll by Beta Theta Pi and try and sit in a game in the David Reese memorial card room. I just don't know if there are many games here still, and moreso, if they would let me sit. > Second, how old can you look? Fake IDs are illegal, but they work. Yeah, i had an id for 21 before, and passed as it plenty of times.... until i had a run in with the Bureau of Liquor officers of New Hampshire.... nice people, but they got me ;) I can easily pass as 19, its not that far off for me anyway... i migth consider that an option. > Third, ever hear of Eric123? He made something like $600,000 on UltimateBet before > it was discovered that he was a highschool kid. Nobody checks your ID on the > internet. You can put money in there via NetTeller through your bank account and play > online. Nope never heard of him until now. I checked UB out, and am planning on building a pc so that i can run the software (it looks like there is only pc versions of it... unless i didn't look hard enough) i've been planning on building a pc anyway. (have like 3 macs, been on macs my whole life. That is a very viable option for me.... only thing is, is that i'd be worried about my 56k connection... which is kind of sketchy. i whould hate getting disconnected mid session. (and i can't get cable/dsl service in my house... it's killing me) > Fourth, when you are 18, there are a lot of Canadian provinces that you can play in. > We get a lot of 19 and 20 year old Americans coming up to Brantford to play (in > Ontario you have to be 19). You can play at 18 in Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, > and Quebec...probably others too. Check ahead what the drinking age is in the > province you intend to go to and the gambling age is the same. So if you're near the > border you could do a weekend poker road trip from time to time. I am really close to Canada.. i can be in montreal in under 4 hours.... that's probably one of the first things i will do when i turn 18 this summer. > Fifth, and most important, there is always time to make money. Nobody ever said, "My > life has gone to hell because I wasn't able to play poker this month." ... > well...maybe if you were already a pro. haha, yeah.. im not too anxious to try and make poker a source of income... i'm just anxious to play/practice and apply what I've been learning, in games that are tighter/more real life than these loose home games i keep playing in. another question for you.... what is some good reading material for me at this point? i bought and read "super system" pretty much cover to cover, and mike caros 'pro poker tells 2vhs'/'Book of Tells(book)'/'Power Poker Seminar video'/'Major Poker Seminar video' are in the mail on their way here. I'm pretty much looking for reading material for 7 stud and hold-um. thanks for all the responses, i appreciate your thoughts, its given me a lot to think about. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), stdioh, 22. Apr 2003 14:59 | ||
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| > I live in NH. I'm actually in the same town as Dartmouth College. I know that's where > David Reese educated himself on poker, maybe i can just stroll by Beta Theta Pi and try > and sit in a game in the David Reese memorial card room. I just don't know if there are > many games here still, and moreso, if they would let me sit. Well, in my brash youth I wouldn've given it a shot. I would stroll on in there and tell them that you're planning to be at Dartmouth next year and hoping to rush their fraternity. Bring up poker; get invited to a game. > Yeah, i had an id for 21 before, and passed as it plenty of times.... until i had a run > in with the Bureau of Liquor officers of New Hampshire.... nice people, but they got me ;) Yeah...busted once then it's probably not the best of ideas to try again. > Nope never heard of him until now. I checked UB out, and am planning on building a pc so > that i can run the software (it looks like there is only pc versions of it... unless i > didn't look hard enough) i've been planning on building a pc anyway. (have like 3 macs, > been on macs my whole life. That is a very viable option for me.... only thing is, is that > i'd be worried about my 56k connection... which is kind of sketchy. i whould hate getting > disconnected mid session. (and i can't get cable/dsl service in my house... it's killing > me) Well, you're protected by all-in protections if you get disconnected so you don't have to risk losing a big pot. 56k should be ok too as there isn't that much info being passed...might be mildly irratating at times, but I wouldn't call it a total obstacle. Also, there are probably some sites out there that support macs...if there aren't then there should be - it is a big market that is untapped then. > I am really close to Canada.. i can be in montreal in under 4 hours.... that's probably > one of the first things i will do when i turn 18 this summer. Yeah...slight problem. Casino De Montreal didn't have poker when I was there last Summer, so unless something has changed, that'll be no good for you. I haven't been to Casino De Hull in a few years, but it didn't have it when I was last there. Upon a quick internet check, it seems that neither has it now, nor does Casino De Charlevoix ... so you might be SOL to find a public hold'em game in Quebec. That said, you can be in Brantford in under 10 hours, according to Mapquest, so it might be worth the drive for a poker excursion if you can put in a week. Hotels in town are cheap. And passing an ID in Canada that says you're 19 isn't fool proof, but it won't get you in trouble with the Americans if you get caught. The security folks at Brantford aren't exactly the sharpest nails in the bucket. > haha, yeah.. im not too anxious to try and make poker a source of income... i'm just > anxious to play/practice and apply what I've been learning, in games that are tighter/more > real life than these loose home games i keep playing in. Well, it sounds like the internet is the best bet for you to make a small sum whilst honing your skills. > another question for you.... what is some good reading material for me at this point? i > bought and read "super system" pretty much cover to cover, and mike caros 'pro poker tells > 2vhs'/'Book of Tells(book)'/'Power Poker Seminar video'/'Major Poker Seminar video' are in > the mail on their way here. I'm pretty much looking for reading material for 7 stud and > hold-um. Well, read CardPlayer magazine online. Read all the back-articles too. I've read every article that Roy Cooke has written that I've been able to get my hands on. Read Sklansky - it is dry stuff, but mathematically very sound. TJ Cloutier has some interesting things to say and reading his stuff is worthwhile. And good reading is also to be had in "Zen and the Art of Poker" AKA The Tilt Book. I see it this way. Reading is a good way to learn lessons without having to pay for them, but I've yet to meet a man who could do it all without experience. I read for guidance and play to get punished when I dont' do what I read I should :) > thanks for all the responses, i appreciate your thoughts, its given me a lot to think > about. Glad I could be of some help. Best of luck to you in poker. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), ice, 22. Apr 2003 15:39 | ||
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| ah, i forgot to mention cardplayer online... discovered it a few days ago, and im doing just that, trying to read it back to front. yeah, a 10 hour haul for a weeks worth of poker might be worth it (as long as i could get a big enough bankroll that i could afford to completely blow, if it turned out to just be a learning experience ;) )... i've never played online, but my biggest thing is that i really like to play real life, against the actual person. i have a few good computer software poker simulations, and like expected do well if i play the proper hands. i just hope playing online isn't that bland.... i really enjoy playing the man. (more so than enjoyment is that i do better that way.) | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), Andrew Wells, 22. Apr 2003 15:06 | ||
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| 56K modem works just fine. You won't be sending and receiving more than just a small packet of data while playing. Just don't use a free Internet service as they can disconnect you at any time, and the forced advertisements can clog a single receive channel. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), TKarrde, 23. Apr 2003 12:18 | ||
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| Yes. 56k does work well. I actually have just built a new house that has a temporary phone line going into it and right now I can't get anything better than 21-28k. But for the most part UB seems to run just fine. I often have 2 or 3 games running at the same time. TK | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), Schuster, 22. Apr 2003 17:38 | ||
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| > another question for you.... what is some good reading material for me at this point? i > bought and read "super system" pretty much cover to cover, and mike caros 'pro poker tells > 2vhs'/'Book of Tells(book)'/'Power Poker Seminar video'/'Major Poker Seminar video' are in > the mail on their way here. I'm pretty much looking for reading material for 7 stud and > hold-um. I'm a bit of a newbie myself, but the book that helped me the most on it's own was Sklansky's "The Theory of Poker". Also check out: Lee Jones', "Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em" Lou Krieger's, "Hold 'Em Excellence" Sklanksy and Malmuth's "Hold 'Em Poker" and "Hold 'Em Poker for Advanced Players" Also, the thing I noticed when I first started playing a more serious poker game was that I was able to completely crush my home game. I've been helping them to get better, because they're my friends and I have a bit of a conscience issue with taking their money all the time, but remember... You can skin a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once. Don't kill the golden egg that is your weak homegame. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), stdioh, 23. Apr 2003 07:28 | ||
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| > but remember... You can skin a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once. Don't kill the Uh...? I think I know what you mean. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), Schuster, 23. Apr 2003 11:10 | ||
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| Oops, typo! You can sheer a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (me2), Banning, 23. Apr 2003 05:32 | ||
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| Hey guy. I'm 22 years old, a university student with no bankroll just making by and trying to finish my degree. I, although a bit older, am in the exact same position as you are. I just discovered poker some 4 or 5 months ago. I have been reading about poker like a wild maniac and love it. Seeing as my friends are all poor students as well we play $5 hold'em every week. The price is low but we are all learning and we treat it pretty serious as it gives bragging rights. I also find myself teaching my buddies to make them better so that they play better against me (if that makes any sense). I love Planet Poker and am have just received today the catalog of Gambler's book Shop so as to buy a bunch of those books that all the pros recommend buying. I have totally thrown myself into poker just like you and just thought that I should touch base with a kindred spirit. | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), Nathaniel Brous, 24. Apr 2003 00:28 | ||
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| Hey ice, I can sympathize with you. New Hampshire is not a booming poker state. I spent 14 years in the Peterborough, Keene, Bedford, Manchester areas. But have you considered homegames in Boston? Your only about 130 miles from Fenway. I didn't play poker back then, but I know that home games do exist in and around Boston. Come to think about it... a UPF guy named spk was looking for players, somewhere in Mass. Ashley Adams a.k.a. asha34@aol.com seems to know a lot about New England poker and may be willing to steer you in the right direction. Or you can try http://www.pokerpages.com/interactive/pokerforum/viewforum.php?f=13&topicdays=0&start=0&sid=b2a003a0b85eb388fcc98a16a01d5dfc . - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), ice, 24. Apr 2003 14:15 | ||
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| thanks, Nathaniel Brous, i'll see if i can fish out a game in my area ;) *********** ¡¢£ßøx | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), JasonHoldEm, 22. Apr 2003 09:47 | ||
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| Hi ice, I'm never one to encourage underage gambling, but I'll agree with the poster who said try to play online. It's up to you whether you choose to take the risk of playing (illegally) for real money, but I don't think playing for play money (underage) would be all that bad. It's definately a good place to start for anyone (although the play money games are a lot looser than real money). If you choose to go the play money route, I'd suggest trying to build your way up to the bigger limit games, since these games actually take some bankroll maintenence to play at (for example you can't sit 100/200 play money with what they start you out at, usually 1000 play money chips), the players will be slightly more serious than the chumps at 5/10 play money. Good luck and keep studying, you'll be 21 before you know it. jHE | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), Pkrrookie, 23. Apr 2003 11:39 | ||
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| I was in the same situation until recently. My recomendation is to destroy the home game and build up your BR. If you're really itching, when you turn 18 you can play at Turning Stone in Verona NY. It's a small casino that has poker. Hold'em and Stud only (I think) and usually 2 or 3 limits each 3/6, with and without kill up, sometimes 5/10, and usually a 10/20, I think with a half kill. Good Luck | ||
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| Re: Newbie (sort of ;) ), Bond18, 23. Apr 2003 12:56 | ||
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| Ice I am in a very similar situation. However, there is a way to get by it all and i've made a few hundred doing this. If you have a friend who is 21 or older simply ask him or her to buy in for you at a online poker sight using a credit or debit card of theirs and reimburse them for the money, or if you like at 18 open a checking account and use the debit card yourself and simply lie about your age, whichever works for you. This has been successful for me at paradise poker and im still only 18. | ||
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