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 AA: if 10 or 5 hits the board?, flintsword, 19. Apr 2003 16:25 | ||
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| On older player made the following declaration: "If you are holding AA, and a ten or a 5 hits the board on a full game, you cannot have the nuts!" I am working on figuring it out, but thought it would be kinda fun to put this out for the pros while I wrestle with the math. | ||
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| Re: AA: if 10 or 5 hits the board?, 4 POKER, 19. Apr 2003 17:58 | ||
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| That is because the only two cards in the deck that will make it possible to make a STRAIGHT are the 5 and the 10. You can't make a straight unless you are holding a 5 or a 10. That being said, If you were to flop a set of AA's and the board came up low, then the straight possibility would be there.(using the 5) If you flopped a set of AA's and the board came up with higher cards, then the high straight would be a possibility and even the straight to the nine would be possible.(using the 5 and or the 10) Example: LOW BOARD> containing a 5: (A 8 3 Q 5 )(straight to the five) HIGH BOARD> containing a 10: (A 6 9 2 10)(straight to the ten) MIDDLE BOARD> containing a 5 ( A 5 7 3 9) (straight to the nine) Because the ACE can be used to make the lowest of straights and the highest of straights, this cuts your chances of hitting three ACES on the board and keeping it the NUTS without also bringing a straight if the 5 or 10 are present. (A2345 & 10JQKA) It's not that hard to figure out, it's just mathematically impossible to have the NUTS if the 5 and or 10 are on the board. When using the 5, you can make a straight from the ace all the way to the 9, and when you are using the 10, you can make a straight from the 6 all the way to the ace; therefore covering the complete spectrum of cards.(small ace to large ace>the wheel to the broadway). 4 POKER | ||
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| Re: AA: if 10 or 5 hits the board?, Andrew Wells, 20. Apr 2003 17:08 | ||
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| If I hold AsAc and the board is Ah Ad 5s, then I have the current nuts. The statement alludes to the fact that every straight contains either a ten or a five. If the turn brings a card that can not help a runner-runner straight flush draw then I have the absolute nuts with a five on the board. So therefore the original statement is invalid. Perhaps he meant unimproved aces, but that is always true no matter what the board is. | ||
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| Re: AA: if 10 or 5 hits the board?, flintsword, 20. Apr 2003 18:51 | ||
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| Actually, I also remember this statement being on an older poker site called "hoshtip" that no longer exists (unfortunately) ... I will try and get the exact details. | ||
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| Re: AA: if 10 or 5 hits the board?, Andrew Wells, 20. Apr 2003 19:09 | ||
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| Let's try to rephrase this so it is true. If you hold pocket aces it is impossible for you to have the nuts on the river with a set or less if the board contains either a ten or a five. But this is not a very bold statement since the lowest ranking hand which could be the nuts on the river with no ten or five present is a set of queens (boards like Qs Jc 7d 6h 2s). There will always be at least a possible straight or bigger set if you hold a set of jacks through deuces. | ||
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| Re: AA: if 10 or 5 hits the board?, 4 POKER, 21. Apr 2003 01:11 | ||
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| on 19. Apr 2003 16:25 flintsword wrote: > On older player made the following declaration: "If you are holding AA, and a > ten or a 5 hits the board on a full game, you cannot have the nuts!" I am > working on figuring it out, but thought it would be kinda fun to put this out > for the pros while I wrestle with the math. I think what your friend meant was, that if a 5 or a 10 WERE to be on the board that a set of aces can be beat by a straight. And like I mentioned, if you need either a 5 or a 10 to make a straight, and you do, these are the only two cards on the board that could possibly take your ''nut set away from you". We are not talking about making flushes or flopping quad aces, your statement was in reference to the 5 and the 10. I was simply breaking it down for you as to why your friend opposed that statement. And yes, even if you were to flop quad aces, if the 5 or the 10 appears on the board then you could lose to a runner runner straight flush. One being the straight flush that reaches up to the 9 and the other would be the higher straight flush, reaching up to the King. As you can see, the quad aces do not even play a part in making these straight flushes, I'm simply pointing out that if either one of those two cards come up along with the quad aces then you can still lose the hand-It doesn't even matter what suit the aces are that appear on the board- like I said the aces are insignifigant if the straight flush is made. (Ac,Ah,5d,3d,2d)player holding 4-6d. (As,Ac,10h,Qh,9h,)player holdingK-Jh,straight flush to the king. I think you misunderstood the question or were not aware of these possibilities. 4 POKER | ||
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