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 Chip & chair decision, Andrew Wells, 16. Apr 2003 13:01 | ||
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| Final table Omaha-8 tourney eight players remaining, pays 40%-30%-15%-10%-5%. Just went to 400-800 limit. I got there with 100 and drew the button, with the three biggest stacks all on my immediate left. The first hand knocked out the two other shortstacks including the player in the big blind. The second shortest stack is now 1400 so I'm the only one in a critical spot. I have to win in my blinds even if I double up twice. So, is it worth it to play loose or just wait for the blinds without premium cards? It's very doubtful three other players get eliminated before my blinds. I pick up AcJh8d2s with one large blind and no small blind posted. Everyone has folded to me. I have a reliable tell that the button is not going to get involved. Is this worth a shot to double up against a random hand where a split is the same as having mucked? I don't think so now, but that is in retrospect. The board was Kc Td 6c 7d 2d and the blind had Qs7h5s3h. | ||
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| Re: Chip & chair decision, shorn, 16. Apr 2003 13:12 | ||
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| If you have been reading posts, you would know I am a relative newbie to O8, but I think since your hand had tha A2 and you had position, I think you have to make the play to try and double up. Basically, you got counterfieted low on the river and one pair took high. Looks like you got unlucky versus a "middle" card blind hand. | ||
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| Re: Chip & chair decision, Andrew Wells, 16. Apr 2003 15:35 | ||
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| No guarantee I'm going to make a low and freeroll on the high side. AJ may be a better high draw than a random hand, but I'm completely unsuited which is not good. I think I played a mediocre hand in the wrong situation. | ||
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| Re: Chip & chair decision, stdioh, 16. Apr 2003 14:00 | ||
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| You are basically toast here and it is almost not worth worrying about it. If you get a hand with any relatively half decent chance of winning anything, play it. You're better off playing a high cards only hand since if you do hit it, there is less chance that you'll only get half. If you are really lucky you'll live through the blinds, but there's almost no point to being at the table in that state. | ||
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| Re: Chip & chair decision, Andrew Wells, 16. Apr 2003 14:21 | ||
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| I don't give up, there's always the chance that several players will get very stupid and get sucked in for multiple bets on low draws that miss over the next few hands. I know the high side is better in my spot, and that my hand wasn't much. The question is whether I should even try to get some chips if they won't even cover my blinds anyway. | ||
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| Re: Chip & chair decision, Easy E, 17. Apr 2003 08:06 | ||
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| I think that I would have played that hand also, given that you only have T100 and only 4 more hands to catch something better. Whether it's a better risk to wait and go BB 100 or try to get to BB 200-400, giving you more chips to win and then try to hang on with..... yeah, I think you have to- no point in just getting enough to go from BB to SB... or surviving the blinds with only T400 which will get wiped by the BB next round. Whether this was the hand to do it with? Yeah, I think so. | ||
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| Re: Chip & chair decision, Andrew Wells, 18. Apr 2003 00:54 | ||
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| Okay, that sounds reasonable. But this is a peculiar spot because there's no small blind and I doubt the button is playing. So do you think I don't need to be a favorite to scoop against a random hand to play this particular spot? I probably don't get any multiway pot before my big blind thus no chance to double on the low side only. If I get past the big blind, the only value I get out of doubling through twice before that, is I can now choose to fold my small blind hand. So I have to risk busting out twice in five opportunities to avoid busting out once unless I wait until one of the next four hands to possibly scoop a three chip pot. I am completely ignoring my big blind hand since I have to win there anyway. It's also not impossible that I scoop on my big blind and fold on my small blind, leaving me with one chip and the button again. So I'm still not sure what is the optimal way to handle chip and a chair in an Omaha-8 tourney (not that I ever want to be in this situation again, but it would be nice to know the right approach). I think you may be correct though in theory. That is to play anything besides absolute trash to try and get above two chips so as to increase the value of an improbable scoop out of the big blind. But if I do happen to double through once, then maybe I should tighten up somewhat and play only a marginal hand or better with attention to the high side, until the blinds. | ||
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