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 Should I have played this hand different, Brett Welch, 15. Apr 2003 07:35 | ||
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| Ok. This is my first post but I have been a reader for sometime now and I know from reading that 95% of you guys are honestly trying to give good advise and that is great for the poker community. So here's the hand I recently played on Pokerstars in a NL HE tournament: PokerStars Game #54925095: Tournament #82940, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2003/04/13 - 00:27:26 (EST) Table '82940 1' Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: Beagle_Boy (2105 in chips) Seat 2: dagoods (1150 in chips) Seat 3: ME (1360 in chips) Seat 6: 95stock (1870 in chips) Seat 7: SweetH2O (3995 in chips) Seat 9: RickyEarl (3020 in chips) Beagle_Boy: posts small blind 15 dagoods: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ME [9d 9c] ME: calls 30 95stock: folds SweetH2O: folds RickyEarl: raises 60 to 90 Beagle_Boy: calls 75 dagoods: folds ME: calls 60 *** FLOP *** [3c Ad 9s] Beagle_Boy: checks ME: checks RickyEarl: bets 300 Beagle_Boy: folds ME: raises 300 to 600 RickyEarl: calls 300 *** TURN *** [3c Ad 9s] [3s] ME: bets 670 and is all-in RickyEarl: calls 670 *** RIVER *** [3c Ad 9s 3s] [Ah] *** SHOW DOWN *** ME: shows [9d 9c] (a full house, Nines full of Aces) RickyEarl: shows [Ac Jd] (a full house, Aces full of Threes) RickyEarl collected 2840 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2840 | Rake 0 Board [3c Ad 9s 3s Ah] Seat 3: ME showed [9d 9c] and lost with a full house, Nines full of Aces Seat 9: RickyEarl (button) showed [Ac Jd] and won (2840) with a full house, Aces full of Threes What the answer here? Is it a bad beat? Should I have gone all-in before the flop or on the flop? Additionally, has anyone else notice that these long-shots seem to occur at PokerStars more than other site, specifically in situations like the one above when players are all-in. I also play at Paradise and I have become accustom to one-outers and the like, but it seems that it happens at Pokerstars in these kinds of situatiions way more than it should. I am definitely not accusing them of cheating or anything like(maybe it could be a flaw in their software??) that I am just curious if others have noticed this phenomena or if I am just baised. Anyways thanks for your help . | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this hand different, shorn, 15. Apr 2003 07:59 | ||
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| This is a tough beat. He caught his two outer on the river to beat you. You SHOULD NOT go all in pre-flop with 99. I suppose you could have considered going all-in on the flop to get the $$ there, but why? There weren't any draws to speak of with an A93 flop, so you want him to call your big bet there. Going all in on the turn was the right play and he did what you wanted him to do there...called with the worst of it and with terrible pot odds for his two outer. I know you lost the pot and were out of the tourny, but you should consider the hand a "win" by the Fundamental Theory of Poker terms. Long run, keep making those good decisions and you will come out a winner. | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this hand different, Brett Welch, 15. Apr 2003 08:00 | ||
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| Hi again. I found an example of what I am talking about: PokerStars Game #54785497: Tournament #82418, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (75/150) - 2003/04/12 - 13:40:18 (EST) Table '82418 1' Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Penultimate (2860 in chips) Seat 2: mats.s (1470 in chips) Seat 3: London (1770 in chips) Seat 4: Sir Andy PT (2495 in chips) Seat 5: ashygirl (1979 in chips) Seat 6: hilda (3305 in chips) Seat 7: AYEZS (5905 in chips) Seat 8: pepetay (4973 in chips) Seat 9: stikinitinu (2243 in chips) Penultimate: posts the ante 25 mats.s: posts the ante 25 London: posts the ante 25 Sir Andy PT: posts the ante 25 ashygirl: posts the ante 25 hilda: posts the ante 25 AYEZS: posts the ante 25 pepetay: posts the ante 25 stikinitinu: posts the ante 25 mats.s: posts small blind 75 London: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Penultimate [9h 2s] Sir Andy PT: raises 150 to 300 ashygirl: folds hilda: folds pepetay said, "sweeney two run shot in the 7th" MillerTime3 [observer] said, "2 leadoff homeruns in the first two innings" AYEZS: raises 150 to 450 pepetay: folds stikinitinu: folds Penultimate: folds mats.s: folds MillerTime3 [observer] said, "bradley and phillips!!!!!!!" London: raises 1295 to 1745 and is all-in MillerTime3 [observer] said, "that is like pops and russ hitting homeruns!!!" pepetay said, "how'd that QQ treat u" Sir Andy PT: raises 725 to 2470 and is all-in AYEZS: calls 2020 *** FLOP *** [8c 4d 6c] MillerTime3 [observer] said, "as good as you a/a" *** TURN *** [8c 4d 6c] [Tc] *** RIVER *** [8c 4d 6c Tc] [7c] *** SHOW DOWN *** Sir Andy PT: shows [9d 9s] (a straight, Six to Ten) AYEZS: shows [Ad Kd] (high card Ace) Sir Andy PT collected 1450 from side pot London: shows [Ks Kc] (a flush, King high) London collected 5535 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 6985 Main pot 5535. Side pot 1450. | Rake 0 Board [8c 4d 6c Tc 7c] Seat 1: Penultimate (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: mats.s (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: London (big blind) showed [Ks Kc] and won (5535) with a flush, King high Seat 4: Sir Andy PT showed [9d 9s] and won (1450) with a straight, Six to Ten Seat 5: ashygirl folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: hilda folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: AYEZS showed [Ad Kd] and lost with high card Ace Seat 8: pepetay folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: stikinitinu folded before Flop (didn't bet) Two ppl go all-in and the miracle card hits on the river. The favorite still wins in this example. It's weird that this happnes more when two ppl are all-in. Just looking for a different veiwpoint. Thanks | ||
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| Re: Should I have played this hand different, stdioh, 15. Apr 2003 08:29 | ||
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| Of course it is a bad beat and I think you played it just fine. You got all your money in while you had the best of it and your opponent hit his 2-outer on the river. The more experience you get, the more often you will see this sort of thing happen. It happens again and again and again. It is lousy as all hell, but it happens tonnes. That said, it seems like it happens more online than off, but I really do believe that this is a function of two things. 1) More hands played per hour - you only remember the interesting hands and there are twice as many of those too, so it seems like more crazy crap happens. 2) Justice is not seen to be done - you can't see what is going on in a server in Costa Rico, so it is naturally common for you to be suspicious. Yeah, it is possible that the online sites can cheat, but think about it this way...they make so much money - tonnes and tonnes and tonnes of money - doing honest business. Why would they cheat for chump change? Now if you were playing with thousands, then maybe it would be worth their while to cheat, but otherwise why would they? Are the cheating everybody - even at the small limits? Nope...lots of people make a living playing online...I know a few people in this camp and none of them have some special deal going to cheat other players. So yeah...taking the beats really blows, but it is part of poker. It might seem unfair at first that they get to suck out on you, but you don't get to suck out on them because you never play terrible hands in the first place, but think of it this way. Life is terribly unfair for the bad bad poker players as they weren't born with a brain functional enough to stop playing their bad hands. Bide your time, play good cards, and the long run will be very kind to you. | ||
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