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 Last three in £100 hold'em tournament. A conundrum., stein, 8. Apr 2003 10:37 | ||
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| Last night I made a split second/third place in an £100 pot-limit hold'em competition. My hard earned finish resulted from what turned out to be a perplexing final hand. My opinion on the conundrum, which I'll post later, is somewhat divided although I am beginning to be inclined to one conclusion. Your views on this matter are very much appreciated. I need a bit of reassurance. Ok. Here it is. It's three-handed with two equal blinds of 1500K (unusually with the small blind on the button). I've 900K(!) left in chips. However, life is not all bad as the small blind is all-in with 1500K. The third player has a monster stack (I'm unaware of its exact size since the tournament involved rebuys, but it was in the region of 60000K). For completeness, both players were solid and conservative. The prize structure was as follows: 2nd - £2600 3rd - £1250 So, I'm first to speak. Look down to find JJ. What's my optimal move? Stein | ||
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| Re: Last three in £100 hold'em tournament. A conundrum., shorn, 8. Apr 2003 13:22 | ||
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| on 8. Apr 2003 10:37 stein wrote: > Last night I made a split second/third place in an £100 pot-limit hold'em > competition. My hard earned finish resulted from what turned out to be a > perplexing final hand. My opinion on the conundrum, which I'll post later, is > somewhat divided although I am beginning to be inclined to one conclusion. Your > views on this matter are very much appreciated. I need a bit of reassurance. > > Ok. Here it is. It's three-handed with two equal blinds of 1500K (unusually > with the small blind on the button). I've 900K(!) left in chips. However, life > is not all bad as the small blind is all-in with 1500K. The third player has a > monster stack (I'm unaware of its exact size since the tournament involved > rebuys, but it was in the region of 60000K). For completeness, both players were > solid and conservative. > > The prize structure was as follows: > 2nd - £2600 > 3rd - £1250 > > So, I'm first to speak. Look down to find JJ. What's my optimal move? > > Stein I think you have no choice but to fold. IF you go all in and lose, it costs you 1350. However, if you fold, you get 2 shots at second place- one for free hoping that the BB beats the LB who is all-in already, and then a second chance of staying alive when you go all-in on your next blind. I suppose if you go all in here and you and the LB both lose, you split 2nd and 3rd, but I would chance it and hope that the BB's hand is better than the LB. In this case, two shots at winning 2nd place (one for free with no risk) is better than your somewhat premium hand winning this pot. | ||
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| Re: Last three in £100 hold'em tournament. A conundrum., stdioh, 8. Apr 2003 13:35 | ||
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| This is tough...given the exact situation I think you need to fold. The chances are too great that the opponent gets knocked out right now and you get second without sweating. Against two random hands, your jacks aren't a bag of wonderful and you must play against both opponents here. If you fold the jacks, there's a 50% chance that you take second place now. If you don't, then you have a 50% chance of doubling up. Assuming that this happens you have enough that if you double *that* through there's a chance of winning the whole thing. However, just tripling up what you have got now isn't worth the risk of losing out in third. It hurts to muck those jacks, but they aren't kings or aces either. I would even muck queens here. I think you can only call in this insance with kings or aces. | ||
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| Re: Last three in £100 hold'em tournament. A conundrum., Piers Majestyk, 8. Apr 2003 14:13 | ||
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| I'll have to concur with the two previous post although I would probably fold KK as well as even if you win the hand you have very little hope of winning 1rst and its not worth the risk in my opinion. | ||
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| Re: Last three in £100 hold'em tournament. A conundrum., stein, 8. Apr 2003 15:04 | ||
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| At ther time I certainly wasn't thinking about securing first. I had resigned myself to a maximum of second which I wanted to get at any cost. Yes, I could sit back and watch an even money shot at securing second place but if the SB wins I then face *two* sequential even money shots at busting out in third. Furthermore, even winning both of those would leave the current SB in the tournament. My thinking at the table (which was admittedly so drawn out that 'the clock' was put on me!) was whether playing the jacks ensured a better than even money shot at finishing second........ I'll produce my analysis soon. Stein. | ||
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| similar situation for me QQ, jdsalinger, 8. Apr 2003 20:35 | ||
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| I had a minimal amount and basically the chip leader would have won but it was only a matter of time. I was on the button with QQ but let it go. The guy lost so I got second. | ||
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