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 blind position holdem play, jake-free, 7. Apr 2003 04:12 | ||
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| when you're in the blind and not raised should you immediatly raise? | ||
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| Re: blind position holdem play, Paul Stine, 7. Apr 2003 09:05 | ||
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| on 7. Apr 2003 04:12 jake-free wrote: > when you're in the blind and not raised should you immediatly raise? Sometimes. It depends Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: blind position holdem play, stdioh, 7. Apr 2003 09:17 | ||
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| Not if your cards are total garbage. Stealing is great, but nobody is going to be fooled by a steal...you'll get called more often than another raiser. I'll generally (and Paul is right - it depends on a lot) raise for a steal with any king, suited connectors, any pair, or any two cards over 9. on 7. Apr 2003 04:12 jake-free wrote: > when you're in the blind and not raised should you immediatly raise? | ||
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| Re: blind position holdem play, Piers Majestyk, 8. Apr 2003 11:57 | ||
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| It depends is a pretty good answer. I will give you a general rule that I follow and has seem to work well for quite a while at least for SB play. I never was able to keep track about individual wins and losses from the blinds until recently with poker tracker but what I am seeing from these stats is intuitively what I felt has been occurring over time. If the SB is 0.5 or 0.33 I will generally muck unless I have some pretty decent cards against even late steal raises. If I someone raises from the cutoff or button and I play it's going to be with a raise most likely. If someone has been banging on my small blind a few rounds and I have unplayable cards I am also going to raise him back after 2 or 3 times of his raising with pretty much anything. By reraising I want the BB out so I can get it heads up and usually take down the pot without any resistance unless the raiser has caught something which he usually hasn't. I raise from the SB more than any other position except the cutoff and button. Results from poker tracker over the last 800 small blind hands (mostly 2/4-3/6 online holdem) Saw flop 19.88% of time Preflop raise 10.13% of time Hands that won $ = 83 hands that won $ without showdown = 47.8% (the highest % of any position in my records by over 3%). Usually people will put you on a big hand with a raise out of the SB so this can be used to torture those late stealers with or without a hand). Amount won = +512.75 (ain't too bad for having the worse position) The BB position is my one losing position from which I have lost $895.00 over the last 853 times. I am beginning to think that I defend my BB too rigorously against late raisers (I see the flop slightly over 71% of the time). You're usually getting over 3:1 on your money to call the raise from one person and you would think this would be enough to make calling with all but the weakest hands a must but this hasn't shown to be very advantageous for me at least. My opponents are also calling me down more frequently when I play out of the BB (only winning without a showdown 27% of the time). I think that people just have it in their head that a guy is less likely to have a hand in the BB compared to the SB when they call or raise a late position raiser (and I think rightly so) because the money raised is only 1 small bet in BB compared to a 1.5 to nearly 2 additional bets put in from a raise in the SB. I hope all this makes a little sense and helps some. As others have written you will be a lifetime loser in the BB position. The only thing you can hope to do is keep that loss to a minimum and to do that I have become less likely to defend my BB from stealers with mediocre hands and I think it has helped although how much will have to wait more data from the upcoming months of record keeping to see if this strategy is fairing any better than the other. It also hasn't helped that I have a 1/3 win with AA for a total loss and a 2/6 record with QQ for a loss. I haven't had KK yet . Thinking now perhaps another of my problems stem from my lack of reraising more from the BB if I play when facing a late position raiser (only 2.46% of the time). I have generally made it a rule to only raise with AA and KK out of the BB (or small blind when facing multiple opponents) because your position is terrible so if that ole AK misses the flop you can quietly dump it when facing resistance and get in a little more action when you hit. I can't say I haven't ever thrown in a reraise from the big blind with 22 into a multiway pot but generally I am pretty conservative from this spot, perhaps too much so when only facing one person. Well here to wishing you to be a lifetime winner out of the blinds as long as it's not when I'm on the button:) | ||
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