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 UGH, shorn, 2. Apr 2003 06:23 | ||
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| OK. 5 bad sessions in a row and -90 BB's. Sets beaten by runner runner straights, straights beaten by runner runner flushes, AA, KK snapped...you name it, it happened. I have lost a bit of faith in myself and my play, as I had worked around 50 hours to get up the 90 BB's that I lost in just over 15 hours. This game can be quite frustrating at times. I know that some of my losses are due to poor play on my part after taking 3 beats or so each session. My question is as follows: What do others do during stretches like this to save some bets? Do you tighten up even further, quit the table if you are somewhat emotional? If you quit, how long do you wait before you go back? It is to the point where I laugh when I get a good hand thinking "How will this get snapped off?" Anyway, all thoughts are welcome and I apologize for the rant. | ||
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| Re: UGH, Andrew Wells, 2. Apr 2003 06:48 | ||
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| Take a few days off to get the mind right. Start a session with an unusual size buy-in. Try a different card room if possible. Switch from hold'em to stud for awhile. Play at a different time of day if possible. Read your best poker book again for the 99th. time. Change limits. Whatever you do to break the routine is probably worthwhile. | ||
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| Re: UGH, Wren, 2. Apr 2003 07:40 | ||
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| When you get to the point where you pretty much dread playing the best starting hands (I know that feeling - you get AKs and raise because it's the right move, but at the same time you feel like you're just throwing money away 'cause it's not going to hit, or it's going to get snapped off, etc. etc.) it's time to leave the table. You may feel stubborn - you know you're a better player than most of the others at the table, and you feel that you SHOULD be able to make your money back. However, when you're slumping like this, you're most likely not going to play your best. You're going to feel emotional, and hence be less observant of your opponents. You're going to become more passive, miss bets, give free cards. Furthermore, many of your opponents will notice that you are slumping, and some will actively target you because of this. Conversely, you might begin to feel paranoid that your opponents are constantly attacking you, trying to bluff you out, and you might call down hands inappropriately. These are all Bad Things I have experienced during horrendously crapulent runs, and I find it is almost always a good idea to GET UP AND LEAVE. I like reading Larry Phillips' book "Zen and the Art of Poker" when I'm feeling cruddy. It contains some very inspirational and motivational wisdom. I actually took a highlighter to some of the better points :O) It's quite cheap, and available at many of the bigger bookstore chains. I recommend picking it up. | ||
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| Re: UGH, stdioh, 2. Apr 2003 08:07 | ||
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| Great advice. When things are not looking up, get up and fight another day. Even when you're ahead this can often be a good idea. I think that one of the mistakes a lot of new players make is thinking that they can always beat the game. The other day I was playing a ricoculously fishy 10-20 and went up 40 BB in 3 hours (WOOT), but then the fish got up and left. So....I got up and left too. It's hard to leave a table when you're slaughtering it, but if you're playing against only good players then you're not going to continue to slaughter the table...continue the winning streak some other time when the suckers are back. | ||
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| Re: UGH, AnyAce, 2. Apr 2003 09:40 | ||
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| I agree with what everyone's already posted. The only thing I would add is to take a few days off. I had been running good at pokerstars during their most recent deposit bonus special and I needed about 50 more frequent player points to get the $100 bonus. Towards the end I started having good hands cracked left and right way more than usual. I have KK, maniac has 68o and calls 2 bets cold preflop and makes runner runner straight on the river. Repeat scenario a few minutes later with different opponent. Repeat again and so on. Anyway, I took about a week off. I was annoyed about it for a couple of days, then had about 3-4 days where I was indifferent to playing and after about a week I was looking forward to playing again. | ||
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| Re: UGH, shorn, 2. Apr 2003 11:08 | ||
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| on 2. Apr 2003 09:40 AnyAce wrote: > I agree with what everyone's already posted. The only thing I would add is to take a few days > off. I had been running good at pokerstars during their most recent deposit bonus special and I > needed about 50 more frequent player points to get the $100 bonus. > > Towards the end I started having good hands cracked left and right way more than usual. I have > KK, maniac has 68o and calls 2 bets cold preflop and makes runner runner straight on the river. > Repeat scenario a few minutes later with different opponent. Repeat again and so on. > > Anyway, I took about a week off. I was annoyed about it for a couple of days, then had about > 3-4 days where I was indifferent to playing and after about a week I was looking forward to > playing again. Thanks to everyone for the thoughts. I think that I will take some time off and analyze my game some more as I am sure there are leaks that make it worse when i am running badly. I plan to re-read TTOF a few times again to get my head in the right direction and then come back at a lower level, play tight and try to book a few small wins to gain confidence. I have played long enough to know that these bad streaks happen to everyone, but MAN do they SUCK when you are in the middle of one! Thanks again, Steve > > > > | ||
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| Re: UGH, Roy Cooke, 2. Apr 2003 16:43 | ||
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| Hi Shorn Try to keep yourself together mentally. If you cannot, quit the game until you feel confident and ready again. This is a tough side of poker....play it well and you will gain a lot of ground on those that don't! Roy Cooke on 2. Apr 2003 06:23 shorn wrote: > OK. 5 bad sessions in a row and -90 BB's. Sets beaten by runner runner > straights, straights beaten by runner runner flushes, AA, KK snapped...you name > it, it happened. I have lost a bit of faith in myself and my play, as I had > worked around 50 hours to get up the 90 BB's that I lost in just over 15 hours. > This game can be quite frustrating at times. > > I know that some of my losses are due to poor play on my part after taking 3 > beats or so each session. My question is as follows: What do others do during > stretches like this to save some bets? Do you tighten up even further, quit the > table if you are somewhat emotional? If you quit, how long do you wait before > you go back? > > It is to the point where I laugh when I get a good hand thinking "How will this > get snapped off?" > > Anyway, all thoughts are welcome and I apologize for the rant. | ||
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| Re: UGH, shorn, 3. Apr 2003 06:38 | ||
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| on 2. Apr 2003 16:43 Roy Cooke wrote: > Hi Shorn > > Try to keep yourself together mentally. If you cannot, quit the game until you feel > confident and ready again. This is a tough side of poker....play it well and you will > gain a lot of ground on those that don't! > > Roy Cooke Thanks Roy. I appreciate the words. 2 days off and counting and my head is starting to feel a little clearer, so I am on my way! > > on 2. Apr 2003 06:23 shorn wrote: > > OK. 5 bad sessions in a row and -90 BB's. Sets beaten by runner runner > > straights, straights beaten by runner runner flushes, AA, KK snapped...you name > > it, it happened. I have lost a bit of faith in myself and my play, as I had > > worked around 50 hours to get up the 90 BB's that I lost in just over 15 hours. > > > This game can be quite frustrating at times. > > > > I know that some of my losses are due to poor play on my part after taking 3 > > beats or so each session. My question is as follows: What do others do during > > stretches like this to save some bets? Do you tighten up even further, quit the > > > table if you are somewhat emotional? If you quit, how long do you wait before > > you go back? > > > > It is to the point where I laugh when I get a good hand thinking "How will this > > get snapped off?" > > > > Anyway, all thoughts are welcome and I apologize for the rant. | ||
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| Re: UGH, Paul Stine, 3. Apr 2003 07:38 | ||
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| on 2. Apr 2003 06:23 shorn wrote: > Anyway, all thoughts are welcome and I apologize for the rant. Free yourself from your emotional enslavement to outcome. Correct decisions are rewarded *over* time, not necessarily *every* time. Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: UGH, 4 POKER, 12. Apr 2003 01:48 | ||
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| HEY SHORN, 5 bad sessions in a row is not that bad... It happens to everyone. How you handle it is a different story. First you have to examine the situation clearly and honestly. Did you have a lot on your mind? Were you playing the game while you were tired? Did you carry over your first bad session into the next session, or did you put it behind you? Did you find yourself making calls that you knew were incorrect 'cause someone just snapped of your AA's?Etc. Etc.. There are so many things that can trigger us into having a losing session, and we really have to stop and think if we are just getting a short run of bad luck or is there something outside of poker that is contributing to these losses. Take some time to think about it. While doing that remember that there is still a lot of luck involved no matter how well we play. Don't lose faith in your abilities. That being said... I've read a lot of your posts now, and I get the feeling that you are quite knowledgeable on the game. That combined with your tremendous mathematical skills can only work in your favor... Just remember though, All the knowledge and experience you possess can never replace DISCIPLINE. That is the most important tool we can have. Don't get discouraged whatever you do, please. Just hop right back on, play the best game you know how, and remember, Good, solid poker w/ discipline will pay off nicely. 4 POKER, | ||
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