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 Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), stdioh, 24. Mar 2003 11:00 | ||
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| Hey all - just a note for anybody relatively new to the game who thinks he's had a raw time of it. I had an amazingly terrible 10-20 session this past weekend. Only 8 hours and I piked out $1.6K - won exactly 2 pots. Couldn't make a set, draw a flush, draw a straight, session riddled with bad beats. As far as I know I didn't make so much as one mistake, but I didn't have much of a chance to. I wasn't faced with any decisions as I called draws with ample pot odds that never came through and as I put my money in when I had the best of it and got drawn out on frequently. But there you have it, sometimes there is just nothing you can do. And Roy - I read your recent cardplayer article on your losing an "unbustable" roll in one month and it makes me feel a little better about my current cold streak, so thanks a lot for sharing that experience. In the last 30 days, I've lost 145 big bets and I'm sure that the limits I'm playing are peanuts compared to what you play - so it could be worse :) | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), shorn, 24. Mar 2003 11:08 | ||
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| Wow. Great attitude though...I will have to keep this in mind when my current win streak ends (6 sessions now, around 90 BB's). | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), stdioh, 24. Mar 2003 11:16 | ||
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| on 24. Mar 2003 11:08 shorn wrote: > Wow. Great attitude though...I will have to keep this in mind when my current win > streak ends (6 sessions now, around 90 BB's). Just before this streak of terror, I had 7 winning sessions back to back in which I made over 200 BB. Shizzit happens. | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), shorn, 24. Mar 2003 11:23 | ||
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| on 24. Mar 2003 11:16 stdioh wrote: > on 24. Mar 2003 11:08 shorn wrote: > > Wow. Great attitude though...I will have to keep this in mind when my current win > > streak ends (6 sessions now, around 90 BB's). > > Just before this streak of terror, I had 7 winning sessions back to back in which I made > over 200 BB. Shizzit happens. I think we call that mean reversion... | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), Mark B., 24. Mar 2003 11:35 | ||
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| I have played semi-professionally (first balckjack and then poker) for a number of years and these fluctuations are what have always held me back from persuing it as a career. After you go through a string of consecutive losses, you realize that you have to go on a great winning streak just to get back to the point you have already been at. This rollercoaster affect is very challenging...not only financailly, but emoptioanlly. Probably the best thing for you to do right now is take a little break and come back with a new hunger and do the things that allowed you to prosper. I also think it is dangerous to just assume that you are going through a losing streak. There may be a tell or other hole in your game that people have discovered. All I am saying is don't rule it out.......we have all been there. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), stdioh, 24. Mar 2003 13:52 | ||
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| on 24. Mar 2003 11:35 Mark B. wrote: > I have played semi-professionally (first balckjack and then poker) for a number of years and these > fluctuations are what have always held me back from persuing it as a career. After you go through a > string of consecutive losses, you realize that you have to go on a great winning streak just to get > back to the point you have already been at. This rollercoaster affect is very challenging...not > only financailly, but emoptioanlly. Probably the best thing for you to do right now is take a > little break and come back with a new hunger and do the things that allowed you to prosper. I also > think it is dangerous to just assume that you are going through a losing streak. There may be a > tell or other hole in your game that people have discovered. All I am saying is don't rule it > out.......we have all been there. Good luck. Thanks for the kind words. Actually, I started off playing blackjack myself, and if you want sweet casinos to play blackjack in, head to Vancouver, by the way. Ontario is a little harder in which to find a favourable environment. Anyhow, blackjack is indeed really swingy. When I played, I did the math (with giant help from Standford Wong, of course) and calculated that I was making about $25/hour, but with an hourly standard deviation of +-$400...so the cold streaks were pretty terrible...of course I was lucky enough to start off on the right foot, so I never had to build a bankroll the very hard way. Actually, I was similarly lucky with poker, backgammon, cribbage, and anything else (except darts - don't mention darts! :)) that I've put any kind of money on...I've been fortunate enough to have good luck whilst learning and building my roll. Indeed, the fluctuations give me pause too. I'd never want to make poker my career unless I was good enough to beat a table of the best in the world. The simple reason is that if I had a choice of making 80K this year and 20K the next, with no rhyme or reason or reliability or making 40K each and every year, I'll take the workaday world any time. So I work my day job and do just fine at that to live and when I want to buy nice things for my beautiful poker playing companion, then I hit the tables and try to add a little onto the top. Quite honestly, I don't know why anybody would be a pro short of being forced into the life (a la Stuey) ... I couldn't imagine rolling out of bed every morning and saying, "better hit the tables or I take another pay cut," then hitting the tables and losing a bunch. And I've said before that Roy Cooke provides me with a lot of my inspiration. Well, he's got a day job too, so if that wouldn't convince me I don't know what would :) | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), Andrew Wells, 24. Mar 2003 15:40 | ||
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| I still remember about five years ago going 18 consecutive hours (over three sessions) without winning a pot where there was a flop. The important thing is you have the right attitude and recognize it is normal for these events to occur. If it gets to the point where you dread going to the card room, that's a real problem. I keep in mind something that Mason Malmuth wrote once, that it is possible for a winning player to have slumps that last longer than a year. I just try to play each hand the best I can, and let the money take care of itself. | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), Nathaniel Brous, 24. Mar 2003 20:39 | ||
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| on 24. Mar 2003 15:40 Andrew Wells wrote: <snip> > I keep in mind something that Mason Malmuth wrote once, that it is possible for a winning player to have slumps that last longer than a year. It is also possible that my next ten hands I play will all be royal flushes. This does not change the fact that is also extremely unlikely. There can be huge swings in poker for sure, but I believe the majority of players do not recognize they are not playing their best game during a "slump." After a planned break (2days-2weeks) from the game, they generally come back with a clear head able to discern what they had been missing/screwing up. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Hell session (and thanks Roy C.), stdioh, 25. Mar 2003 07:11 | ||
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| on 24. Mar 2003 20:39 Nathaniel Brous wrote: > on 24. Mar 2003 15:40 Andrew Wells wrote: <snip> > > I keep in mind something that Mason Malmuth wrote once, that it is possible for a > winning player to have slumps that last longer than a year. > > It is also possible that my next ten hands I play will all be royal flushes. This does > not change the fact that is also extremely unlikely. There can be huge swings in poker > for sure, but I believe the majority of players do not recognize they are not playing > their best game during a "slump." After a planned break (2days-2weeks) from the game, > they generally come back with a clear head able to discern what they had been > missing/screwing up. - Nathaniel Brous Indeed. I think a small vacation is in order for me. I haven't been back yet and I might stay out of the room until Monday or so. I think a week off from cards once in a while is as important as a week off from work once in a while. | ||
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