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 Suggestions please, Jeremy, 23. Mar 2003 21:39 | ||
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| I play online LLHE at paradise, UB, and pokerstars. I can beat most of the 1/2 games and do all right at the 3/6 but what kills me everytime is the 2/4 game. It seems most people play this limit and so do most of the maniacs. Thats my problem ... I cant seem to overcome how to beat them. I've tried to get them head up which is fairly easy at the 3/6 and suprisingly at the 1/2 also but at the 2/4 this seems impossible. These people came to gamble. Could anyone give me some suggestions or maybe suggest an article or something? Pocket pair seem to lose a lot of value in this game as no one respects preflop raises. (I raised preflop from EP in one game earlier today with QQ and had 7 callers...not exagerating.) And then I can never put the maniac on a hand cause they play what I've heard called a "nutbar". ( where you play every hand like you have the nuts.) So I find myself callin them down with hands I normally wouldn't. That has been my biggest problem I think It's so easy for me to go on tilt in those games. Anyone else experience this and if so how do you overcome it? Sorry to rant. Thank you in advance, Jeremy | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, Paul Stine, 24. Mar 2003 09:15 | ||
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| on 23. Mar 2003 21:39 Jeremy wrote in part: > Could anyone give me some suggestions or maybe suggest an article or > something? Sure! If you feel that you can't have success at a specific limit (for any reason) then you can't. It is as simple as that. When you feel that you can't win (again, regardless of the reason) then you have another, built-in hurdle to overcome. Poker has enough hurdles as it is, why add more? So, if there is a game, limit, or even poker room in which you feel you can't win, don't play in it. With regard to the 2/4 limt: I think this is a limit where most people feel comfortable. I think many people consider 1/2 too small to make a good win and there seem to be a lot less games going at the 3/6 limit. At 2/4 there seem to be a reasonable number of games going at any given time. > Pocket pair seem to lose a lot of value in this game as no one respects > preflop raises. Ding! Seems like you have answered your own question. Remember that starting hand guidelines are just that, guidlines. You have to modify the hands you play based on the game in which you are playing. In multiway pots, pairs go down in value and drawing hands go up in value. So, in the case of a multiway pot, a pair is merely a drawing hand at a set. So, when your pairs don't hit on the flop, get out unless you are getting the giant pot odds required to draw at a set (or related hand) you have to do what the math says and get out. No set? No bet! Volume pots like nutty draw hands, like suited Aces, big connectors, and big suited connectors (woo hoo!). Even premium pairs, AA, KK, are not a through ticket, the board may pair and make you the best two pair but it is in no case a guaranteed winner. Again, playing these hands is no guarantee of success. There are no (short term) guarantees in poker, remember? It is also important to remember that in these high volume games your variance is going to go way, way up. So, if you desire to avoid high variance situations, avoid these games. > (I raised preflop from EP in one game earlier today with QQ and had 7 callers > ...not exagerating.) And then I can never put the maniac on a hand cause they > play what I've heard called a "nutbar". ( where you play every hand like you have > the nuts.) So I find myself callin them down with hands I normally wouldn't. > That has been my biggest problem I think It's so easy for me to go on tilt in > those games. Anyone else experience this and if so how do you overcome it? > Sorry to rant. > > Thank you in advance, > Jeremy Again, it takes bigger hands, on average, to win volume pots. Making bigger hands generally requires drawing. Here is something I sometimes do to keep me from dwelling on the hands I am dealt and make me focus on what the other players in the pot are doing: I take a small post-it note, one of the really small one that is about 1" X1-1/2", and stick it on the screen over my cards. This way I can't see my cards. Then, I focus on watching the action as it comes around to me, thinking about what kind of hands I would need to entry the pot and how I would enter the pot (call, raise, etc.) based on the action, not based on my cards. When the action gets to me, I flip up the post-it note and act accordingly. That is, if the hand I have been dealt is not in the set of hands that I have, based on the action, decided that I need in order to play, I muck it. If subsquently I observe that my hand would have won the pot, who cares!? As long as I acted in a way the was correct for the situation, I win. (Remember Sklansky's theorem of poker?) I have also taken another step toward liberating myself from enslavement to outcome. Paul Stine College Station, TX | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, john ray, 24. Mar 2003 09:31 | ||
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| as a strictly low limit player , i have also struggled with the "maniac", but not in a particular limit. My solution has been to not raise preflop much and hammer him after the flop but i'm afraid i don't play it correctly either. Hope u get good response as these guys make some really nice pots after half the table is on tilt . If we don't become one of them. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, shorn, 24. Mar 2003 09:44 | ||
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| on 24. Mar 2003 09:31 john ray wrote: > as a strictly low limit player , i have also struggled with the "maniac", but not in > a particular limit. My solution has been to not raise preflop much and hammer him > after the flop but i'm afraid i don't play it correctly either. Hope u get good > response as these guys make some really nice pots after half the table is on tilt . > If we don't become one of them. This strategy may work, but still expect big swings in your results. One thing to keep in mind is that these types of players, while their play can look fantastic during a run where the deck runs them over, long-term they are mostly losers overall. We all just tend to remember the few nights when they filled up two racks in two hours and not the rest of the time when they bleed all those chips and then some into the game. I think the best way to handle these situations is to tighten up your play a bit (avoid marginal situations where you will get stuck in after the flop due to pot odds), try to get good relative position (i.e., on the maniac's left), and expect to fold a lot. Long run, games with a maniac who continually feeds the game are monster winning opportunities for the solid player. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, john ray, 24. Mar 2003 11:09 | ||
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| thanks shorn i'll give it a try next time | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, stdioh, 24. Mar 2003 11:06 | ||
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| It is hard to play at a table with more than one maniac. The game will be swingy and boring. You basically need to sit on your ass and play tight. When you have a premium hand you will be paid off wonderfully. And if there are 7 people in after an early position raise preflop, then know that top pair top kicker isn't going to be enough to win it. Stick to hands like suited connectors and bet the bejesus out of it when you make a monster. | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, mdf, 24. Mar 2003 14:08 | ||
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| I am a relatively new player and play very low limit hold em. As a result I see my fair share of maniacs. When facing one I vary my play a great deal on my position. If the maniac will bet after me I evaluate my hand based upon whether or not it is worth two or more bets. (Cause the maniac is going to raise me) If the answer is yes then I call and let the maniac do my raising for me. When trying to put these folks on a hand I try to remember what I read in a book "That even maniacs sometimes have pocket aces". | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, BreadnButter, 25. Mar 2003 23:52 | ||
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| IF YOU CANT BEAT THE 2/4 GAME, BUT CAN BEAT THE 3/6 and 1/2 GAME THEN THE ANSWER SEEMS SIMPLE....... | ||
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| Re: Suggestions please, BreadnButter, 25. Mar 2003 23:53 | ||
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| DONT PLAY THE 2/4 GAME!!!!!!!! | ||
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