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 A Newbie's Thoughts on NLHE, Jeffrey Biship, 13. Mar 2003 17:40 | ||
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| I've recently started playing the micro NLHE games online. They seem very profitable (at the moment) and are more fun than limit. I wanted to throw a couple thoughts out there and see if anyone had any advice (with the understanding that answers to most questions are opponent dependent). I HATE TRIPS! Trips seem to be a trouble hand for me (even in limit). I either win a small to medium pot or loose a ton. I was playing headsup NL last night and lost a big pot when we both flopped trips and I lost the kicker war. I also lost a big pot overplaying my overpair to trips. WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE LIMPERS? People love to limp with their big pairs in this game. Last night I had about 4-5 limpers in and made a pot-sized raised from the button with QQ. Almost everyone called. When the flop came with undercards, I bet them strong as the best hand, but pocket kings took down a huge pot. Back to the "cage." And when someone flops a set on your ass...? (see below) HOW COULD YOU GO BROKE WITH ONE PAIR? This is related to the above point, I guess, but how good IS a pair. I overplayed a couple overpairs, losing tons. I won a huge pot vs AA when I flopped a set and aces put himself all in (even after I "told" him by reraising the pot that I had his AA beat). COMING INTO UNRAISED POTS: AVOID "TRAPS" OR GAMBLE IT UP? I was reading a thread on 2+2 about a player who called in the SB w/ T2. I was the only one who asked about the call. What are you looking to flop with a hand like this? To me, this hand is going to be tricky to play unless you get divine intervention on the flop (TTT, 222, or TT2). With your run-of-the-mill miracle flop (T2x, or TTx) this is a hand that could be trouble. Am I just a wimp or rightly cautious to avoid "trap hands" even for half a bet? TO SLOWPLAY OR NOT TO SLOWPLAY.... My inclination is to not slowplay in a game where players have shown a willingness to call big bets and raises with -ahem- less than premium holdings. But it's no fun to finally flop trips and have everyone fold to your "standard camoflague" bet. This is longer than I had intended, so thanks in advance for any feedback. Jeff | ||
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| Re: A Newbie's Thoughts on NLHE, NiceFella, 15. Mar 2003 11:27 | ||
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| Jeffery I found your questions very interesting and I'm hoping for some good responses, because I'm curious myself. In the interest of stirring up some discussion, here's my thoughts: > I HATE TRIPS! Yes, trips with a pair on the board is not worth much if you get any action. Rational players won't call unless they have you beat or have a big draw. In a casino sometimes you can judge whether a player actually has the trips, but online I find it impossible to read and have to assume I can't win. > WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE LIMPERS? Yes, I find it extremely frustrating to be beaten by big pair limpers. I'm convinced it's very poor strategy not to raise with these hands at a low-limit table unless the competition is very smart. Considering the potentially huge implied odds at a NL table, you have to thin the field with a big pair. Getting beaten by bad players still makes me tilt. > HOW COULD YOU GO BROKE WITH ONE PAIR? Well, this is the sort of numbskullery that makes the game profitable. You're playing the cheap tables, right? :-) > COMING INTO UNRAISED POTS: AVOID "TRAPS" OR GAMBLE IT UP? Avoid traps. Especially at NL, where things can go horribly wrong in one raise. I'm not saying I never draw to a long shot when the odds are there, but for the case you describe (T2) you're right, that's a terrible hand and you have almost no chance to win. > TO SLOWPLAY OR NOT TO SLOWPLAY.... I've learned the hard way that slowplaying at a low stakes table cannot bring you happiness. Slowplaying offers the chance for a little more winnings, at the price of risking the entire pot. Additionally, the sort of players you're describing in this game seem willing to chase you down with some very marginal holdings -- so slowplaying isn't really sucking them in, but just giving them draws cheaply that they were going to pay for anyway. Make them pay to suck out on you. Unless I have the mortal nuts, I almost always make my raises when I have the best of it, and I get called a surprising amount of the time. Just my .02, NiceFella | ||
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| Re: A Newbie's Thoughts on NLHE, Jeffrey Biship, 16. Mar 2003 13:35 | ||
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| Thanks for trying to get the ball rolling. I've been wracking my brain for the last few days (since I went broke in the .25/.50 NLHE games) thinking about a strategy for these games. Some other issues: THE VALUE OF BIG PAIRS: There's a poster on 2+2 whose signature line is "no set no bet." I'm sure this is an over simplification, but I'm beginning to think that this isn't a bad rule of thumb. I've seen my opponents take some big pots down with unimproved big pairs (usually against me when I'm betting my smaller big pair all the way), but this shouldn't seduce me into risking my stack. SCARE CARDS: Another expensive mistake I've made is NOT folding to bets when scare cards hit. Obviously it depends on your stack size and the size of the bet, but I think scare cards should be respected. My fear is always that people will start bluffing me when they see that I will lay hands down. I've got so many questions that I could spend all day asking them, so I'll just leave it at these. Jeff | ||
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| Re: A Newbie's Thoughts on NLHE, Mark, 16. Mar 2003 19:06 | ||
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| i've recently moved to NL hold'em and am doing pretty well. At the 25 and 50 cent blinds game, i'm profiting around $10 and hour. The biggest thing is to understand the patterns your opponents play. Some people people bet 50 cents with 2nd pair or draws while others will bet the same amount with top pair and a strong kicker. Some people are very loose and will bet anything, but they usually have a specific amount they'll bet. When you figure out the patterns you will know what they're holding. It took me about 50 hours of play at the $2-4 limits to become decent at this. the most important thing is to take notes during play. you may even have to sit out a few hands to figure things out after a weird play. At lower than $2-4, most players are loose aggressive or loose passive, trying to find they're patterns is a waste of time. Take notes, its the best advice i've heard. mark P.S. does this qualify for a bad beat. I limp on the button with 3-3, 5 others limp. the pot is $3.00. I flop quads, everyone checks to the river and no one calls my $1.00 river bet. I've never felt so cheated! | ||
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