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 The dreaded 1 outer !, TOM WAGGONER, 10. Mar 2003 15:19 | ||
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| Do you ever feel like the cards are out too get you? In a recent 10-20 HE game, I flopped a set of deuces, limping behind five other players, and somebody else who limped with aces flopped a set, and another player in the hand turned a set of three's. A few hands later, I'm in the BB with K9 of hearts, again several players no raise. I flop top pair of nines with a four flush, hammer it all the way, make the flush on the river, bet out get raised, and he shows me the ace high flush. It wasn't but maybe 30 minutes later that the one outer struck. I raised in middle position with two queens, five of us see the flop of Q68 rainbow, checked too me, I bet, 3 callers, the turn card was another six, both filling me and screwing me at the same time, little did I know. It was checked too me by both blinds again, I bet, the other player called, and the small blind checkraised, the BB folded, I smooth called it wanting to trap the other player for another bet, and so I could raise him on the river. My plan worked out well, he bets out on the river, I raise, the other player folds, he 3 bets it, I make it 4 bets, and he calls all in and says you can't win anyway, and shows me the four sixes. I'm thinking, how do you like that, I have the nut full, and he tells me I can't win. This all happened within about my first hour and a half in the game, and it never let up, although this one was the worst of it. I just thought I would share this true miserable story with you. Good luck with your hands. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, stdioh, 11. Mar 2003 09:08 | ||
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| on 10. Mar 2003 15:19 TOM WAGGONER wrote: > Do you ever feel like the cards are out too get you? In a recent 10-20 HE game, > I flopped a set of deuces, limping behind five other players, and somebody else > who limped with aces flopped a set, and another player in the hand turned a set > of three's. A few hands later, I'm in the BB with K9 of hearts, again several > players no raise. I flop top pair of nines with a four flush, hammer it all the > way, make the flush on the river, bet out get raised, and he shows me the ace > high flush. It wasn't but maybe 30 minutes later that the one outer struck. I > raised in middle position with two queens, five of us see the flop of Q68 > rainbow, checked too me, I bet, 3 callers, the turn card was another six, both > filling me and screwing me at the same time, little did I know. It was checked > too me by both blinds again, I bet, the other player called, and the small blind > checkraised, the BB folded, I smooth called it wanting to trap the other player > for another bet, and so I could raise him on the river. My plan worked out well, > he bets out on the river, I raise, the other player folds, he 3 bets it, I make > it 4 bets, and he calls all in and says you can't win anyway, and shows me the > four sixes. I'm thinking, how do you like that, I have the nut full, and he > tells me I can't win. This all happened within about my first hour and a half > in the game, and it never let up, although this one was the worst of it. I just > thought I would share this true miserable story with you. Good luck with your > hands. I'm sorry to break it to you, but these are all pretty standard bad beat. They all happen and they have a tendancy to pile up. I think it's been about a month for me since I had JJ do anything other than screw me for a lot of money. I've flopped top set with it to have it beat by a baby backdoor flush, I've had made strights flopped along with it, etc, etc. The fact of the matter is that as unlikely as the bad beats seem, they are really really common. One outers happen all the time...so do perfect-perfect 2 then 1 outers (thinking fondly of the perfect perfect I made for a big pot about a month ago) ... the fact of the matter is that a 1-outer is still a 1:40 shot or thereabouts. Would you bet your life on a 1-40 crapshoot? When somebody doesn't make their one outer nobody notices, but when they do it is a big deal. And the worse the players you play, the more often it will happen. Just shake your head, say good hand, and play the next one. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, TOM WAGGONER, 11. Mar 2003 15:19 | ||
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| I know that bad beats can be very common, I just don't know why they seem to pile up on me in one session. I played about 8 hours that day, and every thing I did seemed wrong. I had pocket kings beat by a pair of sevens, I flopped aces and eights from the BB, and they got beat on the river by trip fives. I raised pre-flop with AQ of hearts, 6 way action, the flop KJ3 two spades, I catch the 10 of spades on the turn, and it is bet and raised too me, so I folded, and the bettor had the flush and the raiser had K10. I had pocket aces one time, and they couldn't hold up against one player, the BB. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, stdioh, 12. Mar 2003 08:24 | ||
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| on 11. Mar 2003 15:19 TOM WAGGONER wrote: > I know that bad beats can be very common, I just don't know why they seem to pile up on me > in one session. I played about 8 hours that day, and every thing I did seemed wrong. I had > pocket kings beat by a pair of sevens, I flopped aces and eights from the BB, and they got > beat on the river by trip fives. I raised pre-flop with AQ of hearts, 6 way action, the > flop KJ3 two spades, I catch the 10 of spades on the turn, and it is bet and raised too > me, so I folded, and the bettor had the flush and the raiser had K10. I had pocket aces > one time, and they couldn't hold up against one player, the BB. It is statistically likely for statistically unlikely things to happen. In theory everything works in practice as it does in theory, but in practice this rarely holds. Sometimes the cards gang up on you and there is nothing you can do about it except take a deep breath, go for a walk, and not tilt much. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, shorn, 12. Mar 2003 11:53 | ||
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| on 12. Mar 2003 08:24 stdioh wrote: > on 11. Mar 2003 15:19 TOM WAGGONER wrote: > > I know that bad beats can be very common, I just don't know why they seem to pile up on me > > > in one session. I played about 8 hours that day, and every thing I did seemed wrong. I had > > > pocket kings beat by a pair of sevens, I flopped aces and eights from the BB, and they got > > > beat on the river by trip fives. I raised pre-flop with AQ of hearts, 6 way action, the > > flop KJ3 two spades, I catch the 10 of spades on the turn, and it is bet and raised too > > me, so I folded, and the bettor had the flush and the raiser had K10. I had pocket aces > > one time, and they couldn't hold up against one player, the BB. > > It is statistically likely for statistically unlikely things to happen. > > In theory everything works in practice as it does in theory, but in practice this rarely > holds. > > Sometimes the cards gang up on you and there is nothing you can do about it except take a deep > breath, go for a walk, and not tilt much. Also, you can't tell me (if you play a lot) that you haven't had a session where the deck has completely run you over the other way. It happens to everyone many more times than once in their poker careers. I try to write down these hands during a crazy bull market session so that when I have a buzz saw session against me, I can remind myself that in the long run, those things even out and only the tight, aggressive players (who don't tilt) come out winners. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, stdioh, 12. Mar 2003 12:52 | ||
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| > Also, you can't tell me (if you play a lot) that you haven't had a session where the deck has > completely run you over the other way. It happens to everyone many more times than once in their > poker careers. I try to write down these hands during a crazy bull market session so that when I > have a buzz saw session against me, I can remind myself that in the long run, those things even out > and only the tight, aggressive players (who don't tilt) come out winners. Absolutely. It's a two-way street. So far my craziest reversal of fortune was a 10-20 session where in the course of the first 8 hours I made and then lost $14C, took a meal button and pondered my $6 win, then went back and spent 2 hours winning every hand that I saw the flop on, taking in over $16C. The deck runs you over both ways and in any long run you are just about guaranteed to have some terriffic luck and some bad reversals. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, TOM WAGGONER, 12. Mar 2003 13:54 | ||
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| I very much agree with you that it is a two way street. I once booked 10 straight winning 20-40 plays totaling about 14 thousand. If you get too hot, it can go too your head and make you feel untouchable, which can be dangerous to a players bankroll. I found that out the hard way one time. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, stdioh, 12. Mar 2003 14:41 | ||
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| on 12. Mar 2003 13:54 TOM WAGGONER wrote: > I very much agree with you that it is a two way street. I once booked 10 straight winning 20-40 plays totaling > about 14 thousand. If you get too hot, it can go too your head and make you feel untouchable, which can be > dangerous to a players bankroll. I found that out the hard way one time. I know what you mean. When I'm flying high, I'm often tempted to play above my limit. I'll see a couple of big fish on the 20-40 and nothing doing at the 10-20 and I'll want to move up. Though I think that the 20-40 might start to become profitable for me now that they are regularly spreading 30-60 in my home casino. By virtue of it not being the highest stakes I get to avoid the biggest sharks. Still, I've promised myself that I won't sit there until December or later and only when I'm sure that I am ready. | ||
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| Re: The dreaded 1 outer !, shorn, 13. Mar 2003 06:17 | ||
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| on 12. Mar 2003 14:41 stdioh wrote: > on 12. Mar 2003 13:54 TOM WAGGONER wrote: > > I very much agree with you that it is a two way street. I once booked 10 straight winning 20-40 plays totaling > > > about 14 thousand. If you get too hot, it can go too your head and make you feel untouchable, which can be > > dangerous to a players bankroll. I found that out the hard way one time. > > I know what you mean. When I'm flying high, I'm often tempted to play above my limit. I'll see a couple of big > fish on the 20-40 and nothing doing at the 10-20 and I'll want to move up. > > Though I think that the 20-40 might start to become profitable for me now that they are regularly spreading 30-60 > in my home casino. By virtue of it not being the highest stakes I get to avoid the biggest sharks. Still, I've > promised myself that I won't sit there until December or later and only when I'm sure that I am ready. I have always found that when on a hot streak, moving up is the worst thing for me, because all of your hard work at the lower level can dissappear very quickly at a higher limit with just a small change in the run of the cards. Add that to the fact that you will be up against better players, and it just isn't worth it. I have promised to myself this year to play no higher than 10-20 anywhere because I seem to be doing well and want to keep my confidence up. | ||
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