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 2 Questions, Pkrrookie, 7. Mar 2003 10:16 | ||
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| Great site everyone, I'm new to the game and have a couple questions: 1. What is the proceedure for finding the odds of making your hand with two cards to come? (I can read the chart in HPFAP, but would like to know how to figure it out on my own) Do you average the percentage chance on each card or is it done differently? 2. For Hold'em, what is the minimum bankroll (relative to the betting limits) a (very slightly) winning player needs to be able to cover flucturations? Is it different between low limit, middle limit and online? Also, what is the minimum (again relative to the limits) amount a Hold'em player should bring to the table for a session of play? Thanks in advance | ||
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| Re: 2 Questions, Schuster, 7. Mar 2003 11:33 | ||
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| >>1. What is the proceedure for finding the odds of making your hand with two cards to come? (I can read the chart in HPFAP, but would like to know how to figure it out on my own) Do you average the percentage chance on each card or is it done differently? It's pretty simple, but a lot of people misinterpret how it's done. What you do is figure out the odds of your card NOT coming on the turn and again NOT coming on the river, multiply the two together, and subtract. For example, if you have 5 outs, the odds of you getting one of them on the turn is 5/47, which makes the odds of you NOT getting it 42/47. Similarly, the odds of getting one of those same 5 outs on the river is 41/46. So the odds of you NOT making your hand together are (42/47)*(41/46) = 79.64%. So, the odds of you getting AT LEAST (this includes the chance of you getting an out on each card) one out to fall is 100% - 79.64% = 20.36%. For another example, lets say you hold AA with no aces on the flop, and you want to know the odds of getting 4 of a kind aces. You need to get 1 of your 2 outs on the turn, then you need to get your remaining out on the river. So, odds of getting AAAA is (2/47) * (1/46) = 0.093%. Not good odds! If you have any further stat questions, let me know. As for the second question, I'll leave that to one of the more experienced players here. I'm definately far from it. | ||
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| Re: 2 Questions, stdioh, 7. Mar 2003 14:06 | ||
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| > 1. What is the proceedure for finding the odds of making your hand with two > cards to come? (I can read the chart in HPFAP, but would like to know how to > figure it out on my own) Do you average the percentage chance on each card or > is it done differently? Schuster's answer is correct here, but let me sum up: You chance of making your hand is equal to the chance that you hit an out on the turn or the river. Apply logical operator OR to the equation. Likewise, if you have a backdoor draw, use the operator AND. > 2. For Hold'em, what is the minimum bankroll (relative to the betting limits) a > (very slightly) winning player needs to be able to cover flucturations? Is it > different between low limit, middle limit and online? Also, what is the minimum > (again relative to the limits) amount a Hold'em player should bring to the table > for a session of play? > Thanks in advance Generally speaking, 300 big bets is considered an "unbustable" roll. That is, if you are playing 10-20 and have $6K and you are a winning player, then your chances of losing all $6K before you make a comeback are statistically very small. This of course differs depending on players. I play loose agressive (but winning, believe it or not) poker most of the time (of course it all depends on table texture), so my play is a lot swingier (I'm involved in more pots), so I have a higher standard deviation per hour of play meaning that my unbustable roll is more (I'm guessing mine is about 400 big bets). That doesn't mean that you need 300 BB to sit though...just that if you can't afford to lose 300 BB before you quit playing poker forever, then you shouldn't start playing poker. I usually issue 20 BB when I sit at a table and top up by 10 BB whenever my stack is less than 5 BB. I usually enter a cardroom with 60 BB in my pants. I've lost 60 BB in a live session exactly once and even though it felt like a good game I decided that I should head home and lick my wounds as the table was attacking me. Which is another point...when you're running cold it might be a good idea to leave even if you're not superstitious. Hope that helps a little. | ||
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