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hold'em play, Mark, 5. Mar 2003 15:35
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in a $2-4 online game this hand came up. I think i now know what the correct play is, but i would like everyone's input.

I'm new to the table, and don't recognize anyone, but figure after a few hands that the table is fairly tight.

I raise on ( or close to ) the button with KQ suited ( which suit doesn't matter) and i get a few callers.

the flop is A, K, 6. It is checked to me and I bet, getting 1 caller in middle position.

The turn is another A. it is checked to me.

I bet, was re-raised and folded.

It seems pretty clear to me that i should have check the turn, and called a bet on the river, if he bet.

I think my turn bet was a situation where i was only going to get called if i was beat. Either the ace gave him trips, or did not help him at all and i was still in the lead.

Now, if i checked the turn, my opponent may have tried to bluff the river and i could call. That way, win or lose, i get a showdown and only pay 1 BB.

seems pretty clear to me now, what does everyone think?

thanks in advance

mark



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Re: hold'em play, Don Quixote, 6. Mar 2003 08:51
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Mark, since you posted yesterday and on one else has yet responded, I will give it a shot. I do so with the hope that someone more experienced that me can set me straight too.

I often wrestle with what to do when I have middle pair on the flop and an ace overcard flops. I usually will check behind an unknown player because I have been burned so many times. In your case, your opponent did not raise preflop or bet the flop. I also bet sometimes in your position, trying to represent the ace. If he doesn't have the ace, he will usually (hopefully) fold because of the AK on the flop. When the ace fell on the turn, I think it would be wise to just check and call the river like you mentioned.

I know this isn't much help. This situation is a universal predicament many of us find ourselves in. I also await any help from other posters.

Don

on 5. Mar 2003 15:35 Mark wrote:
> in a $2-4 online game this hand came up. I think i now know what the correct
> play is, but i would like everyone's input.
>
> I'm new to the table, and don't recognize anyone, but figure after a few hands
> that the table is fairly tight.
>
> I raise on ( or close to ) the button with KQ suited ( which suit doesn't
> matter) and i get a few callers.
>
> the flop is A, K, 6. It is checked to me and I bet, getting 1 caller in middle
> position.
>
> The turn is another A. it is checked to me.
>
> I bet, was re-raised and folded.
>
> It seems pretty clear to me that i should have check the turn, and called a bet
> on the river, if he bet.
>
> I think my turn bet was a situation where i was only going to get called if i
> was beat. Either the ace gave him trips, or did not help him at all and i was
> still in the lead.
>
> Now, if i checked the turn, my opponent may have tried to bluff the river and i
> could call. That way, win or lose, i get a showdown and only pay 1 BB.
>
> seems pretty clear to me now, what does everyone think?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> mark
>
>
>
>
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Re: hold'em play, stdioh, 6. Mar 2003 09:59
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on 5. Mar 2003 15:35 Mark wrote:
> in a $2-4 online game this hand came up. I think i now know what the correct
> play is, but i would like everyone's input.
>
> I'm new to the table, and don't recognize anyone, but figure after a few hands
> that the table is fairly tight.
>
> I raise on ( or close to ) the button with KQ suited ( which suit doesn't
> matter) and i get a few callers.
>
> the flop is A, K, 6. It is checked to me and I bet, getting 1 caller in middle
> position.
>
> The turn is another A. it is checked to me.
>
> I bet, was re-raised and folded.
>
> It seems pretty clear to me that i should have check the turn, and called a bet
> on the river, if he bet.
>
> I think my turn bet was a situation where i was only going to get called if i
> was beat. Either the ace gave him trips, or did not help him at all and i was
> still in the lead.
>
> Now, if i checked the turn, my opponent may have tried to bluff the river and i
> could call. That way, win or lose, i get a showdown and only pay 1 BB.
>
> seems pretty clear to me now, what does everyone think?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> mark

If I'm going to bet my second pair on the flop then I must play it very weak-agressive. It is too easy for a player without the ace to fling a turn bluff, so when the ace came I would bet, but then fold if raised. If I'm called then I'll check the river or make a crying call.
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Re: hold'em play, Kevin J, 11. Mar 2003 12:56
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I think you have it right. The exception might be against a very weak/passive player who could still call you with many hands and/or draws (but would not be likely to check/raise semi-bluff).
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