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90% of low/mid limit players lose, jake-free, 27. Feb 2003 05:06
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Is there a survey showing that ?
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, rusty JEDI, 27. Feb 2003 13:49
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Probably not. Because 90% of low limit players "THINK" they win.
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, Roy Cooke, 27. Feb 2003 13:54
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I would intuatively think that number is close to accurate!

Roy Cooke

on 27. Feb 2003 05:06 jake-free wrote:
> Is there a survey showing that ?
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, Forrest, 27. Feb 2003 14:17
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My Paradise database has consistently shown about 42% winners and 57% losers (lower limit tables only).

I would love to know what others have in their databases.
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, jake-free, 27. Feb 2003 15:36
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on 27. Feb 2003 14:17 Forrest wrote:
> My Paradise database has consistently shown about 42% winners and 57% losers (lower
> limit tables only).
>
> I would love to know what others have in their databases.
please explain how can you get other players data i also play at paradise?
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, Forrest, 27. Feb 2003 16:33
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Well, it's really only my own data. I download my hand histories and use Poker Tracker. Other similar products have been talked about here before (Stat King I think and one other one).

Check out www.pokertracker.com and you'll see what I mean.
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, jake-free, 28. Feb 2003 04:39
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on 27. Feb 2003 16:33 Forrest wrote:
> Well, it's really only my own data. I download my hand histories and use Poker Tracker. Other
> similar products have been talked about here before (Stat King I think and one other one).
>
> Check out www.pokertracker.com and you'll see what I mean.
can we get data from players using poker tracker?
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, Forrest, 28. Feb 2003 09:43
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BINGO!

My thoughts exactly.
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, flintsword, 1. Mar 2003 16:08
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Thank you Forrest for the link. I will try out the program.
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, stdioh, 3. Mar 2003 10:37
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I think that it's more an excercise for logic. Let's look at a typical 10-20 table. Most of the players would be winningish or break evenish 5-10 players, and then you add a fish or two.

So you've got one big or two small fish paying everybody's session fees for the table. Now there are 7-8 players that are not me. Let's say that 2 of them are a BB/hour winners and I also want to win 1 BB/hour. We've got 3 or 4 players that have to lose 3 BB/hour at the table, but have their session fees paid for. So here's a table with 3 winning players and 7 losing players that is fairly typical. The thing is that the 3 winning players are there every day while the 7 losing players aren't around much. You have recreational players and rank beginners. You have compulsive gamblers and one time tryers. If they each show up every 4 days on average, then you've got 28 losing players and 3 winning players which gives you just about 10% of the players being profitable.

Essentially I would say that the winning players play a lot and the losing players not too much, so the 90% figure loses some significance.
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Re: 90% of low/mid limit players lose, jake-free, 6. Mar 2003 08:31
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you can check your numbers at www.dynamitepoker.com
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