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 Winner Take All Tourneys, Jeffrey Biship, 26. Feb 2003 13:52 | ||
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| I've been playing the single table Winner Take All LHE tourneys at Planet. They are fun but frustrating. I'm wondering if my general strategy is correct. 10 players start with T125 and the limits start at 3/6 escalating every 15 minutes in the following progression, 5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 30/60, 50/100, 100/200, 200/400, 300/600, etc. So far, these tourneys play very loose. Sometimes loose and aggressive, sometimes loose and passive, but loose. My approach has been to play VERY tight until about three players bust out. That's usually around the 3rd or 4th level. Up to that level, I only play AA-JJ, AKs, AKo, and AQs outside the blinds. I loosen up in unraised, multiway pots in the small blind (any two suited cards 7 or higher, connectors), though I throw away weak offsuit aces. I have a couple questions: Is tight right or should I get in there and mix it up early? Even at the first level, T125 isn't a lot of chips. I wouldn't buy into a 3/6 ring game with $125. Because of the limited amount of chips, should you be as aggressive as you would in a ring game? If you have the opportunity to cap with aces preflop, should you take it or wait for the flop? When I choose to play a hand, I usually cap it preflop when appropriate and given the opportunity. I wonder if I should save a bet here and there. A player I respect has suggested raising with one or two unusual hands early in the tournament to try and "establish an image," yet he raised an eyebrow when I called vs two limpers in an unraised pot in the small blind with Th3h. The short term luck factor is high, but my opponents are definitely making mistakes which seem exploitable. Any feedback would be appreciated. Jeff | ||
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| Re: Winner Take All Tourneys, stdioh, 26. Feb 2003 14:54 | ||
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| on 26. Feb 2003 13:52 Jeffrey Biship wrote: > I've been playing the single table Winner Take All LHE tourneys at Planet. > They are fun but frustrating. I'm wondering if my general strategy is > correct. > > 10 players start with T125 and the limits start at 3/6 escalating every 15 > minutes in the following progression, 5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 30/60, 50/100, > 100/200, 200/400, 300/600, etc. > > So far, these tourneys play very loose. Sometimes loose and aggressive, > sometimes loose and passive, but loose. My approach has been to play VERY > tight until about three players bust out. That's usually around the 3rd > or 4th level. Up to that level, I only play AA-JJ, AKs, AKo, and AQs > outside the blinds. I loosen up in unraised, multiway pots in the small > blind (any two suited cards 7 or higher, connectors), though I throw away > weak offsuit aces. > > I have a couple questions: > > Is tight right or should I get in there and mix it up early? Even at the > first level, T125 isn't a lot of chips. I wouldn't buy into a 3/6 ring > game with $125. > > Because of the limited amount of chips, should you be as aggressive as you > would in a ring game? If you have the opportunity to cap with aces > preflop, should you take it or wait for the flop? When I choose to play a > hand, I usually cap it preflop when appropriate and given the opportunity. > I wonder if I should save a bet here and there. > > A player I respect has suggested raising with one or two unusual hands > early in the tournament to try and "establish an image," yet he raised an > eyebrow when I called vs two limpers in an unraised pot in the small blind > with Th3h. > > The short term luck factor is high, but my opponents are definitely making > mistakes which seem exploitable. Any feedback would be appreciated. Limit tournaments are a strange beast in that they differ vastly from ring games and also from nolimit tournaments. First thing: Take position into account. It is so important. There's no reason you can't limp with 22 on the button, and really your button play should be approximately as loose as your small blind play. Also, since it's not nolimit, you don't need to sit on your butt and wait around for something wonderful. Early on, there isn't too much at risk in any given hand, so play hands you think you can win. Plus, you can't double up easily like in a nolimit game, where a great hand can catapult you from a smallish stack to a dominant position. My rule of thumb for playing a limit tournament is this: I play like I'm playing a ring game when my stack has more than 20 big bets in it, though I do beat up the small stacks unmerciful. When my stack shrinks and I am in danger of going all in or close enough to it on a hand that I want to play out, then I tighten up and wait for something really good. If my stack gets *very* small, then it's time to take a plunge and steal some blinds, go all in if I must, etc. Basically I play like I'm in a nolimit tournament and about to blind out. Most important, IMHO, is the endgame. The bubble in a nolimit tournament is just so different from the bubble in a limit tournament. Small stacks just get abuse heaped on them because there is no danger of letting an appreciable stack double through you. In a winner take all, this wouldn't be as useful, but in a larger limit tourney when I have more than my share of chips to make the money, I'll tighten way up. (say if the final 10 get paid, I'll get ubertight when I have 10% of the money in play). But to make a long story short, I would say that if you have sufficient funds then you should be playing more or less like a ring game in winner take all and you should definitely bully the short stacks when the blinds start eating people. | ||
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| Re: Winner Take All Tourneys, Jeffrey Biship, 26. Feb 2003 20:35 | ||
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| on 26. Feb 2003 14:54 stdioh wrote: This is very good advice and lots to think about. I wanted to address one point: > Also, since it's not nolimit, you don't need to sit on your butt and wait around for > something wonderful. Early on, there isn't too much at risk in any given hand, so > play hands you think you can win. Plus, you can't double up easily like in a nolimit > game, where a great hand can catapult you from a smallish stack to a dominant > position. The funny thing about this tournament is that given the escalating blinds, one hand often can (and often does) make or break you. That's what's so frustrating about this tournament. Thanks for your feedback. Jeff | ||
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| Re: Winner Take All Tourneys, jake-free, 6. Mar 2003 08:36 | ||
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| on 26. Feb 2003 13:52 Jeffrey Biship wrote: > I've been playing the single table Winner Take All LHE tourneys at Planet. > They are fun but frustrating. I'm wondering if my general strategy is > correct. > > 10 players start with T125 and the limits start at 3/6 escalating every 15 > minutes in the following progression, 5/10, 10/20, 20/40, 30/60, 50/100, > 100/200, 200/400, 300/600, etc. > > So far, these tourneys play very loose. Sometimes loose and aggressive, > sometimes loose and passive, but loose. My approach has been to play VERY > tight until about three players bust out. That's usually around the 3rd > or 4th level. Up to that level, I only play AA-JJ, AKs, AKo, and AQs > outside the blinds. I loosen up in unraised, multiway pots in the small > blind (any two suited cards 7 or higher, connectors), though I throw away > weak offsuit aces. > > I have a couple questions: > > Is tight right or should I get in there and mix it up early? Even at the > first level, T125 isn't a lot of chips. I wouldn't buy into a 3/6 ring > game with $125. > > Because of the limited amount of chips, should you be as aggressive as you > would in a ring game? If you have the opportunity to cap with aces > preflop, should you take it or wait for the flop? When I choose to play a > hand, I usually cap it preflop when appropriate and given the opportunity. > I wonder if I should save a bet here and there. > > A player I respect has suggested raising with one or two unusual hands > early in the tournament to try and "establish an image," yet he raised an > eyebrow when I called vs two limpers in an unraised pot in the small blind > with Th3h. > > The short term luck factor is high, but my opponents are definitely making > mistakes which seem exploitable. Any feedback would be appreciated. > > Jeff > > steal early and bully the short stacks later, go play at www.dynamitepoker.com | ||
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