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 Another 5-10 hand, 3Kings, 25. Feb 2003 08:28 | ||
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| For those of you that read my previous two 5-10 hands, here is another hand that you can follow my thinking on. I have A2o in the BB. Three players limp in, and i check. The flop comes A K 3 (don't remember suits). I check. I say to myself if it is checked to the button (same player as hand #2) and he bets, I will raise. Sure enough, he bets, I raise and the same guy who called in hand #2 cold calls two bets here as does the button. Turn is a K. Checked to the button who bets. I think about for a second and decide, if he has an A, I am drawing at best to a split pot and will probably lose it all to a better kicker. If he has a K, then I have two Aces as outs. I decided to fold. The other player called and a third K came on the river. Button bets and the other player folds. Button DOESN'T show his hand which leads me to believe that he doesn't have the 4th K and I think pretty much anyone would have showed it. After the hand, the only thing I could think of was to check-raise the turn but I figure I am going to get called if he has an A and maybe reraised by a K. I would have check-called the river no matter what. I still think I would have split the pot but at that point it would have been an easy call although I may not have liked it. Would anyone have tried to check-raise the turn or fold? I know a call is out of the question. This is the main reason I decided to just call him in hand #2 from the previous post. This hand he did bet with the scary board, and hand #2 he didn't. I thought my bluff on hand #2 was a good idea. BTW, I still think it was. | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, 3Kings, 25. Feb 2003 08:29 | ||
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| on 25. Feb 2003 08:28 3Kings wrote: > For those of you that read my previous two 5-10 hands, here is another hand that > you can follow my thinking on. This hand happenes before the other two. > > I have A2o in the BB. Three players limp in, and i check. The flop comes A K > 3 (don't remember suits). I check. I say to myself if it is checked to the > button (same player as hand #2) and he bets, I will raise. Sure enough, he > bets, I raise and the same guy who called in hand #2 cold calls two bets here as > does the button. Turn is a K. Checked to the button who bets. I think about > for a second and decide, if he has an A, I am drawing at best to a split pot and > will probably lose it all to a better kicker. If he has a K, then I have two > Aces as outs. I decided to fold. The other player called and a third K came on > the river. Button bets and the other player folds. Button DOESN'T show his > hand which leads me to believe that he doesn't have the 4th K and I think pretty > much anyone would have showed it. After the hand, the only thing I could think > of was to check-raise the turn but I figure I am going to get called if he has > an A and maybe reraised by a K. I would have check-called the river no matter > what. I still think I would have split the pot but at that point it would have > been an easy call although I may not have liked it. > > Would anyone have tried to check-raise the turn or fold? I know a call is out > of the question. This is the main reason I decided to just call him in hand #2 > from the previous post. This hand he did bet with the scary board, and hand #2 > he didn't. I thought my bluff on hand #2 was a good idea. BTW, I still think > it was. > > | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, shorn, 25. Feb 2003 08:50 | ||
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| on 25. Feb 2003 08:29 3Kings wrote: > on 25. Feb 2003 08:28 3Kings wrote: > > For those of you that read my previous two 5-10 hands, here is another hand that > > you can follow my thinking on. > This hand happenes before the other two. > > > > > I have A2o in the BB. Three players limp in, and i check. The flop comes A K > > 3 (don't remember suits). I check. I say to myself if it is checked to the > > button (same player as hand #2) and he bets, I will raise. Sure enough, he > > bets, I raise and the same guy who called in hand #2 cold calls two bets here as > > > does the button. Turn is a K. Checked to the button who bets. I think about > > for a second and decide, if he has an A, I am drawing at best to a split pot and > > > will probably lose it all to a better kicker. If he has a K, then I have two > > Aces as outs. I decided to fold. The other player called and a third K came on > > > the river. Button bets and the other player folds. Button DOESN'T show his > > hand which leads me to believe that he doesn't have the 4th K and I think pretty > > > much anyone would have showed it. After the hand, the only thing I could think > > of was to check-raise the turn but I figure I am going to get called if he has > > an A and maybe reraised by a K. I would have check-called the river no matter > > what. I still think I would have split the pot but at that point it would have > > been an easy call although I may not have liked it. > > > > Would anyone have tried to check-raise the turn or fold? I know a call is out > > of the question. This is the main reason I decided to just call him in hand #2 > > from the previous post. This hand he did bet with the scary board, and hand #2 > > he didn't. I thought my bluff on hand #2 was a good idea. BTW, I still think > > it was. > > No way I would CR the turn here. I think the fold was the right play as you were most likely going to lose to a higher Ace or split at best. Even if you had CR the turn, he probably wouldn't have folded anyway, so staying in sounds like a negative EV proposition to me. | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, stdioh, 25. Feb 2003 11:12 | ||
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| on 25. Feb 2003 08:28 3Kings wrote: > For those of you that read my previous two 5-10 hands, here is another hand that > you can follow my thinking on. > > I have A2o in the BB. Three players limp in, and i check. The flop comes A K > 3 (don't remember suits). I check. I say to myself if it is checked to the > button (same player as hand #2) and he bets, I will raise. Sure enough, he > bets, I raise and the same guy who called in hand #2 cold calls two bets here as > does the button. Turn is a K. Checked to the button who bets. I think about > for a second and decide, if he has an A, I am drawing at best to a split pot and > will probably lose it all to a better kicker. If he has a K, then I have two > Aces as outs. I decided to fold. The other player called and a third K came on > the river. Button bets and the other player folds. Button DOESN'T show his > hand which leads me to believe that he doesn't have the 4th K and I think pretty > much anyone would have showed it. After the hand, the only thing I could think > of was to check-raise the turn but I figure I am going to get called if he has > an A and maybe reraised by a K. I would have check-called the river no matter > what. I still think I would have split the pot but at that point it would have > been an easy call although I may not have liked it. > > Would anyone have tried to check-raise the turn or fold? I know a call is out > of the question. This is the main reason I decided to just call him in hand #2 > from the previous post. This hand he did bet with the scary board, and hand #2 > he didn't. I thought my bluff on hand #2 was a good idea. BTW, I still think > it was. I think that your logic is a bit flawed here when you say that he didn't have the case king just because he didn't show it. The only time I ever show my hole cards when folded to is if I was bluffing and want to a) advertise looseness to get more action or b) tilt an opponent who is not emotionally neutral. Often times it is both. I don't say, "Yeah...I had the quads and look, here is the card to prove it." So your reasoning that he was full of beans is neither here nor there. | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, 3Kings, 25. Feb 2003 12:43 | ||
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| I sure would show it if I had it. "look here, I got quads, wanna see?" Next time there is three on the board, and I win with a bet, I quietly give my cards to the dealer. What's the point in trying to hide that you have quads, players know that they are few and far between. At least the ones I play with won't pick up any tendencies from it, might as well show them I got lucky so they call me next time. | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, stdioh, 25. Feb 2003 14:00 | ||
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| on 25. Feb 2003 12:43 3Kings wrote: > I sure would show it if I had it. > > "look here, I got quads, wanna see?" Next time there is three on the board, and I win > with a bet, I quietly give my cards to the dealer. What's the point in trying to hide > that you have quads, players know that they are few and far between. At least the ones I > play with won't pick up any tendencies from it, might as well show them I got lucky so > they call me next time. Every time you show your cards, you give your opponents information about you. Clever people like me who talk loudly in restaurants will pick up on that and punish you for it :) | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, BreadnButter, 25. Feb 2003 13:27 | ||
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| I think i would have check raised the flop as you did, especially considering the opponent doing the betting. But i think you have to come out betting on the turn. If the king is out there then you will get raised and you fold, hey life goes on & try again next hand. If the ace is out there then you still have outs to a split... but these fish are calling with anything!!!! he could have had a low pocket pair or QJ. I would have bet the turn and then decided how to approach the river round of betting depending on what fell. Bet if its an Ace or King and maybe check and call one bet if its anything else. It sounds like this guy stole one from you. BreadnButter | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, 3Kings, 26. Feb 2003 07:42 | ||
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| on 25. Feb 2003 13:27 BreadnButter wrote: > > I think i would have check raised the flop as you did, especially considering the > opponent doing the betting. But i think you have to come out betting on the turn. > If the king is out there then you will get raised and you fold, hey life goes on & > try again next hand. If the ace is out there then you still have outs to a split... > but these fish are calling with anything!!!! he could have had a low pocket pair or > QJ. I would have bet the turn and then decided how to approach the river round of > betting depending on what fell. Bet if its an Ace or King and maybe check and call > one bet if its anything else. It sounds like this guy stole one from you. > > BreadnButter That is what I was thinking. I wasn't in love with the hand so it didn't bother me too much. This hand, though, is what led me to my other hand (#2 from a previous post) that I didn't play very well against the same guy. (I did get him back later though for more money.) | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, Andrew Wells, 25. Feb 2003 16:22 | ||
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| You had the right idea, get out of the pot when the turn is not a blank. No way would I even consider checkraising a second time because of the cold caller on the flop. With that weak ace if you don't get isolation against a player you have good control over, it's time to lay it down. Nothing wrong with your play on the flop, it just didn't work this time. | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, Roy Cooke, 25. Feb 2003 17:37 | ||
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| I think you played it well for the right reasons! there is too much risk and too little reward to play it any different! Roy Cooke on 25. Feb 2003 08:28 3Kings wrote: > For those of you that read my previous two 5-10 hands, here is another hand that > you can follow my thinking on. > > I have A2o in the BB. Three players limp in, and i check. The flop comes A K > 3 (don't remember suits). I check. I say to myself if it is checked to the > button (same player as hand #2) and he bets, I will raise. Sure enough, he > bets, I raise and the same guy who called in hand #2 cold calls two bets here as > does the button. Turn is a K. Checked to the button who bets. I think about > for a second and decide, if he has an A, I am drawing at best to a split pot and > will probably lose it all to a better kicker. If he has a K, then I have two > Aces as outs. I decided to fold. The other player called and a third K came on > the river. Button bets and the other player folds. Button DOESN'T show his > hand which leads me to believe that he doesn't have the 4th K and I think pretty > much anyone would have showed it. After the hand, the only thing I could think > of was to check-raise the turn but I figure I am going to get called if he has > an A and maybe reraised by a K. I would have check-called the river no matter > what. I still think I would have split the pot but at that point it would have > been an easy call although I may not have liked it. > > Would anyone have tried to check-raise the turn or fold? I know a call is out > of the question. This is the main reason I decided to just call him in hand #2 > from the previous post. This hand he did bet with the scary board, and hand #2 > he didn't. I thought my bluff on hand #2 was a good idea. BTW, I still think > it was. > > | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, nonameplayer, 26. Feb 2003 08:42 | ||
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| I make easy decissions early to keep from making tough decisions later. 1) never play Ace blank for the very reason you just decribed G/L | ||
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| Re: Another 5-10 hand, Piers Majestyk, 26. Feb 2003 15:16 | ||
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| An option no one has hit on is to bet right out on the flop. No one raised preflop so perhaps you have the best hand with only 3 players in. With a weak Ace like this I want to lead and take down the pot on the flop or at least find out where I am. If I get played back at I can lay it down right there as there are not too many hands that I can beat if someone plays back. If both call you on the flop then check the turn because that K was terrible for you. Someone either called you with a better A of they just hit 3 kings, any bet and you fold, same result you lose 1 bet. I don't think your CR on flop was terrible but against only 3 players I would prefer to lead and try to win the pot there. | ||
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