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 Should I get up from the table?, Struggling2Learn, 24. Feb 2003 21:23 | ||
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| I'm wondering if someone will provide some insight into my session this afternoon. Low-limit game, slightly looser opponents for the most part. I played 3 hours and had very few hands to play. When I did have a hand either the flop missed me completely or if it did hit another player holding less than desirable cards would draw out. I didn't loosen up as the others at the table did. I continued playing as I've read I should. However, things continued along as bad if not got worse. Should I get up from the table? and if so, when? What else might be done? Any input you have would be great. | ||
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| Re: Should I get up from the table?, flintsword, 24. Feb 2003 21:42 | ||
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| You get times like that. Think of it as an opportunity to practice calculating pot odds, keeping track of the pot using the number-of-bets method, and reading your opponents. There is no cure for the dealer sending you an endless series of microscopic, random, unconnected, unsuited cards, ... and it is not the dealer's fault. Part of playing poker. That you maintained discipline is a good sign, congrats. | ||
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| Re: Should I get up from the table?, shorn, 25. Feb 2003 05:26 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 21:42 flintsword wrote: > You get times like that. Think of it as an opportunity to practice calculating pot > odds, keeping track of the pot using the number-of-bets method, and reading your > opponents. There is no cure for the dealer sending you an endless series of > microscopic, random, unconnected, unsuited cards, ... and it is not the dealer's > fault. Part of playing poker. That you maintained discipline is a good sign, > congrats. I agree with flint. Be proud of the fact that you lost very little and kept your focus. I had the same issue last night...very few hands to play over 2.5 hours, my blinds being raised almost every round, and I only lost 2 bis bets for the session. While I was dissapointed, I was quite pleased with most of my play. I tried to look at it that I would have lost much much more earlier in my career by trying to push hands that just weren't there. As flint points out, there will be days (weeks even) where the cards just aren't coming. Stay focused and be patient. | ||
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| Re: Should I get up from the table?, Struggling2Learn, 25. Feb 2003 11:33 | ||
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| Well I really can't say I lost very little. The hands I had to play ended up costing me. situation: a guy in EP w/ 2 2 called, 2 middles called, I raised, SB folded and rest called. I had KdTd on the button. the flop came QcTh8s. It was checked to me and I bet and it was called around. the turn was a 2d. at this point I was drawing dead but didn't know it. I thought the 2 was a blank and bet and was check-raised by the 2's. I didn't fold at the raise, mistake I know. the river was 8d. Situations like this are something I'm working on but sometimes struggle. "live and learn"? Gerard. | ||
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| Re: Should I get up from the table?, Nathaniel Brous, 25. Feb 2003 09:02 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 21:23 Struggling2Learn wrote: <snip> > Should I get up from the table? and if so, when? What else might be done? Any input you have would be great. It's hard to say without knowing your play. If you are just learning the game, you may be passing up opportunities to play certain hands under certain conditions, that you don't even know exist. These extra hands can usually make a big enough difference in your play to overcome the blinds per orbit sans premium starters. If your play was completely optimal and you are looking for information on how to handle the swings of a poker game, I recommend reading, "Zen and the Art of Poker," by L.W.Phillips (an rgp poster). It is more of a poker mind book than a strategy book and can really get you thinking. It is a slim paperback with a $12 price tag or so (a steal). Reading your post, I was reminded of a section where it covers "possible outcomes of entering a card room to play." If you do pick it up, I would be interested in your take on your book. I read it many years after I was, "Struggling2Learn," and still gleaned many insights from it. -Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: Should I get up from the table?, Struggling2Learn, 25. Feb 2003 11:22 | ||
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| Nathaliel - I've spent the last 24 hours replaying the hands I had to play and can see some holes. since I am still learning I struggle from time to time. I will most certainly pick up that book. I've read several on technique and strategy but perhaps not enough to develop the mental toughness I feel one needs to survive the swings as well as the proper expectations for "variance". I see my most obvious holes as: - Not letting go of a hand after the flop when I'm not hit (usually w/ overcards). - Not yet able to calculate pot odds and outs quickly. - Not recognizing a "play" put on me. There are others I'm sure but difficult to see. I'm interested in finding a "mentor" as I feel that in almost all areas of life I benefit from listening to people w/ more experience however I'm not sure how to pursue one. Thanks for your input/feedback. Gerard. | ||
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| Re: Should I get up from the table?, Nathaniel Brous, 25. Feb 2003 13:53 | ||
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| on 25. Feb 2003 11:22 Struggling2Learn wrote: <snip> > There are others I'm sure but difficult to see. I'm interested in finding a "mentor" as I feel that in almost all areas of life I benefit from listening to people w/ more experience however I'm not sure how to pursue one. Thanks for your input/feedback. Gerard. That's a good idea. It will be more difficult if you strictly play online, or in casinos. Home games might be your best shot at finding someone, who after meeting you, would like discussing poker and take an interest in your poker development. One big point though. Experience will not always equate skill. I am a better player than many with 10+ years more experience than I and have also encountered many younger players who are naturally more talented in poker. So...question everything you take in, combine it with real-time experiences and come to your own conclusions. Since you obviously have the desire,...time, focus and patience will be your greatest allies. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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