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 comments on a hand play request, dostoyevski, 24. Feb 2003 08:17 | ||
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| A $15-$30 game. I am on the button with Jc-Jh. The under-the-gun player opens with a raise. Everybody folds to me. I three-bet. The small blind folds. The big blind calls two bets cold. The under-the-gun player makes it four bets. Me and the big blind call. The flop comes Ah-8h-3h all of one suit, giving me second pair and a flush-draw. The big blind bets. The under-the-gun player raises. I call two bets (this was a mistake). The turn is the Js, giving me trip jacks. The big blind bets. The under-the-gun player calls. I call. The river is a blank. The big blind bets and the under-the-gun player and I call. The big blind wins the pot with 10h-4h. The under-the-gun player shows As-Ac for trip aces on the flop. --------------- I know that I misplayed the hand. Please let me know what you think, how would you played this hand. Thank you. | ||
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| Re: comments on a hand play request, shorn, 24. Feb 2003 08:31 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 08:17 dostoyevski wrote: > A $15-$30 game. I am on the button with Jc-Jh. > The under-the-gun player opens with a raise. Everybody folds to me. > I three-bet. The small blind folds. The big blind calls two bets cold. > The under-the-gun player makes it four bets. > Me and the big blind call. > The flop comes Ah-8h-3h all of one suit, giving me second pair and a > flush-draw. > The big blind bets. The under-the-gun player raises. > I call two bets (this was a mistake). The turn is the Js, giving me trip > jacks. > The big blind bets. The under-the-gun player calls. I call. > The river is a blank. The big blind bets and the under-the-gun player and I > call. > > The big blind wins the pot with 10h-4h. > The under-the-gun player shows As-Ac for trip aces on the flop. > --------------- > > I know that I misplayed the hand. > Please let me know what you think, how would you played this hand. > Thank you. You nailed it...you should have floded the flop when the capper raised. You have to figure he has at least AK and/or a bigger heart draw, and he may have trip aces already which means you need RR jacks to win. Hard to fold on the turn when you hit a Jack though. > | ||
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| Re: comments on a hand play request, stdioh, 24. Feb 2003 13:31 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 08:17 dostoyevski wrote: > A $15-$30 game. I am on the button with Jc-Jh. > The under-the-gun player opens with a raise. Everybody folds to me. > I three-bet. The small blind folds. The big blind calls two bets cold. > The under-the-gun player makes it four bets. > Me and the big blind call. > The flop comes Ah-8h-3h all of one suit, giving me second pair and a > flush-draw. > The big blind bets. The under-the-gun player raises. > I call two bets (this was a mistake). The turn is the Js, giving me trip > jacks. > The big blind bets. The under-the-gun player calls. I call. > The river is a blank. The big blind bets and the under-the-gun player and I > call. > > The big blind wins the pot with 10h-4h. > The under-the-gun player shows As-Ac for trip aces on the flop. > --------------- > > I know that I misplayed the hand. > Please let me know what you think, how would you played this hand. > Thank you. First off, as is the case with most questions in poker, the answer is, "it depends." It depends on who the other players are...if it is a total maniac raising UTG, he could be playing his A9 or KQ. If it's a total rock, you've got to figure him for at the very least KK. That said, I think that reraising preflop with jacks was a mistake. The field is already thinning and unless you hit a jack or there's a total garbage flop, you're probably already beaten by the UTG raiser. With a hand like that, I would welcome a couple more players. Now, when you miss the flop like that, you must realize two thinks. Anybody could have the Kh or Qh and chances are pretty good that at least one other player has at least one of those - so your flush draw amounts to a warm cup of jack squat. Now as for the flop, so you call it on a hunch and hit your jack...from this point, you're pretty much married to the hand. You have to see if you can pair the board or maybe you're good if nobody has a flush - and if there is one thing I hate, it is being married to a hand with two others playing and one of them agressing like stink...unless I'm holding the nuts of course. Really, you could have considered folding your JJ to a UTG raise. If I knew the table well and I had a good read on the raiser as being a very tight solid and not terribly tricky player, I would pitch those Johnnies then and there. Pummel your opponents with your folds. Punnish them by throwing away cards and refusing to play them when they have you outgunned. | ||
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| Re: comments on a hand play request, Piers Majestyk, 24. Feb 2003 18:02 | ||
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| I think your raise before the flop was ok as there are not too many players that I won't three bet in that situation to try and get it heads up. The very strong solid players that I wouldn't raise (but would definately call) in that position I would hope to flop a set because I know if I hit and they have an overpair I will get in a few extra bets because of their typically aggressive nature with such hands as KK and AA on a rag flop. On your hand you should have dumped it on the flop as you probably already know and for the reason stated previously by the other posters. Learning to recognize when you're beat is one of the most important things that separate the very good players from the also rans. There is no shame in folding and as Mr. Caro would say the money you save from making bad calls spends just as nicely as money won when you have the nuts. Good luck. | ||
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| Re: comments on a hand play request, TOM WAGGONER, 24. Feb 2003 23:58 | ||
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| My preflop action would have been the same, but I would have mucked on the flop, too a bet and raise. There are two reasons, You could be drawing close to dead, and the betting will still be open behind you. | ||
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