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 Top pair top kicker, jake-free, 23. Feb 2003 02:26 | ||
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| you're in BB with AQo.all passed to Button who raises.You call,Flop comes [Q-T-4] rainbow.You check,Button bets and you raise.and he reraises. Do you call,raise or fold? mid-limit holdem good luck | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, NickZack, 23. Feb 2003 03:02 | ||
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| This is limit poker I assume. Unless you have a very strong read on this customer, I would call and then check call the rest of the way. Mike on 23. Feb 2003 02:26 jake-free wrote: > you're in BB with AQo.all passed to Button who raises.You call,Flop comes > [Q-T-4] rainbow.You check,Button bets and you raise.and he reraises. Do you > call,raise or fold? mid-limit holdem > good luck | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, Piers Majestyk, 23. Feb 2003 09:36 | ||
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| in my opinion you should reraise and lead the betting on the turn. If the button had a powerhouse he should have just called your raise on the flop and raised you on the turn when you led out. His reraising on the flop gives me the suggestion that you are probably leading or possibly at worse tied. I think he probably was just trying to buy a free card for the turn. At least that's how I would have played it if I had a viable draw. | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, jake-free, 23. Feb 2003 11:35 | ||
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| I AGREE 100% | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, stdioh, 24. Feb 2003 06:42 | ||
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| on 23. Feb 2003 02:26 jake-free wrote: > you're in BB with AQo.all passed to Button who raises.You call,Flop comes > [Q-T-4] rainbow.You check,Button bets and you raise.and he reraises. Do you > call,raise or fold? mid-limit holdem > good luck IMHO, this is a time for restraint and caution. There are a lot of hands he could have that are kicking the crap out of you right now. If he's got AA,KK, or TT, then all were reasonable raises that you are a huge dog to. If he's got AQ, then you're just wasting time. If he has AK then you're not a giant favourite as he has one good overcard and a gutshot. So really, it comes down to reads. If you're going to call a preflop raise with your AQ then you have to be willing to let it go; if you always call raises with AQ and always play them out when they hit, then you are going to be dissapointed a lot. So really, it all depends on reads at this point. If you think he's full of beans, then call him down and if you think that he's good, then folding may be a very good idea if you don't improve on the turn (I'd still call the one small bet though) and he bets at you again there. I wouldn't reraise him unless I was *sure* (like 98% sure of better) that he was full of it. If he's a maniac and you can put him on KQ, then yeah...make him weep, but if he's a strong player then he's not bluffing. He should know that when there is that much money in the pot you're not going to fold now, so if he bets the turn, he's probably got at least a decent hand. | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, shorn, 24. Feb 2003 08:12 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 06:42 stdioh wrote: > on 23. Feb 2003 02:26 jake-free wrote: > > you're in BB with AQo.all passed to Button who raises.You call,Flop comes > > [Q-T-4] rainbow.You check,Button bets and you raise.and he reraises. Do you > > call,raise or fold? mid-limit holdem > > good luck > > IMHO, this is a time for restraint and caution. There are a lot of hands he could > have that are kicking the crap out of you right now. If he's got AA,KK, or TT, then > all were reasonable raises that you are a huge dog to. If he's got AQ, then you're > just wasting time. If he has AK then you're not a giant favourite as he has one good > overcard and a gutshot. So really, it comes down to reads. If you're going to call a > preflop raise with your AQ then you have to be willing to let it go; if you always > call raises with AQ and always play them out when they hit, then you are going to be > dissapointed a lot. So really, it all depends on reads at this point. If you think > he's full of beans, then call him down and if you think that he's good, then folding > may be a very good idea if you don't improve on the turn (I'd still call the one > small bet though) and he bets at you again there. I wouldn't reraise him unless I was > *sure* (like 98% sure of better) that he was full of it. If he's a maniac and you can > put him on KQ, then yeah...make him weep, but if he's a strong player then he's not > bluffing. He should know that when there is that much money in the pot you're not > going to fold now, so if he bets the turn, he's probably got at least a decent hand. You make some good points, but my thoughts are to re-raise on the flop and then bet the turn. He will likely (if he has you beat) just call your re-raise and then raise on the turn which will let you know to release your hand, in effect costing you two big bets to find out what you need to know. If you just call his raise and then check and call to the river, it is costing you 2.5 big bets, not to mention that if you are in the lead and he was trying to get a free card, you will give it to him. IMHO, you CANNOT check the turn and let that happen regardless of the flop decision. | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, stdioh, 24. Feb 2003 13:58 | ||
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| > You make some good points, but my thoughts are to re-raise on the flop and then bet the > turn. He will likely (if he has you beat) just call your re-raise and then raise on the > turn which will let you know to release your hand, in effect costing you two big bets to > find out what you need to know. If you just call his raise and then check and call to the > river, it is costing you 2.5 big bets, not to mention that if you are in the lead and he > was trying to get a free card, you will give it to him. IMHO, you CANNOT check the turn > and let that happen regardless of the flop decision. I'm not sure that I would agree with you 100% of the time...this is a very read-dependant question. A lot of it depends on how good your opponent is. Were I against a solid player I would be more likely to follow your advice. Against a total rock, I'd fold right away. Against a fish, I might even agress. Also, it is worth pointing out that some amount the the bets that you lose in making a crying call to the river defray the cost of drawing to improve your hand. Also, catastrophic folds are just to terrible, that they are hard to make without being certain of a losing hand - I find it best not to fold large pots heads up unless I *know* I'm beaten. | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, shorn, 24. Feb 2003 08:12 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 06:42 stdioh wrote: > on 23. Feb 2003 02:26 jake-free wrote: > > you're in BB with AQo.all passed to Button who raises.You call,Flop comes > > [Q-T-4] rainbow.You check,Button bets and you raise.and he reraises. Do you > > call,raise or fold? mid-limit holdem > > good luck > > IMHO, this is a time for restraint and caution. There are a lot of hands he could > have that are kicking the crap out of you right now. If he's got AA,KK, or TT, then > all were reasonable raises that you are a huge dog to. If he's got AQ, then you're > just wasting time. If he has AK then you're not a giant favourite as he has one good > overcard and a gutshot. So really, it comes down to reads. If you're going to call a > preflop raise with your AQ then you have to be willing to let it go; if you always > call raises with AQ and always play them out when they hit, then you are going to be > dissapointed a lot. So really, it all depends on reads at this point. If you think > he's full of beans, then call him down and if you think that he's good, then folding > may be a very good idea if you don't improve on the turn (I'd still call the one > small bet though) and he bets at you again there. I wouldn't reraise him unless I was > *sure* (like 98% sure of better) that he was full of it. If he's a maniac and you can > put him on KQ, then yeah...make him weep, but if he's a strong player then he's not > bluffing. He should know that when there is that much money in the pot you're not > going to fold now, so if he bets the turn, he's probably got at least a decent hand. You make some good points, but my thoughts are to re-raise on the flop and then bet the turn. He will likely (if he has you beat) just call your re-raise and then raise on the turn which will let you know to release your hand, in effect costing you two big bets to find out what you need to know. If you just call his raise and then check and call to the river, it is costing you 2.5 big bets, not to mention that if you are in the lead and he was trying to get a free card, you will give it to him. IMHO, you CANNOT check the turn and let that happen regardless of the flop decision. | ||
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| Re: Top pair top kicker, SendMoney, 1. Mar 2003 01:32 | ||
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| That punk had pocket Kings. Call all the way and get your Ace on the river. I mean, that's what always happens when I have pocket Kings. Ace magnetism will always ruin his day. I he has Aces though...you might have a problem, since you'll need a river Queen. Usually top pair top kicker it's not the worst investment to hang tough, he could be on KQ after all. | ||
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