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 Online Poker, shorn, 21. Feb 2003 09:39 | ||
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| I have read a ton of the previous messages on online poker with some interest. However, aren't we forgetting something here? In order for anyone to have such a bad rush of cards or to be sucked out on over and over again on miracle draws, the online site would also have to control the bad players and have them call to make those draws, right? How do you suppose they are controlling that? I am not saying that there aren't ways in the code to manipulate the deck, starting cards, the deal, etc. But I find it extremely hard to believe that there would be any incentive to do that when we all know that the successful sights are making $$ hand over fist in terms of the rake. No doubt, like Bluebird and others, I would love to see the proof or an audit of the software, but I think in some cases there is a lot of "data mining" going on in people's heads to convince them that there is intentional rigging on part of management. Sorry for the long rant. Steve | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, flintsword, 21. Feb 2003 15:01 | ||
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| Poker sites are making an obsene amount of money offering a clean site. It is entirely to their advantage to be certified and give players all the security they need. Probably one of the best is Paradise Poker who have their shuffling routine audited by a Chartered Accounting firm (it is on their site). Others (Partypoker, etc) will - without a doubt - follow through. It is no mistake that the biggest site (Paradise) is the most visible in security (third party audits). You are right about "data mining" (great term!) done by people to "explain their losses. You really do lose because you did not win and to solve that, ... make better decisions and win. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, hardhead, 22. Feb 2003 18:59 | ||
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| How can they prevent 2 or 3 people in the same game from being in the same room? They could see each others hands. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, flintsword, 22. Feb 2003 20:17 | ||
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| You would think it is easy, yet the computer wonks in my company tell me that there are lots, and lots, of ways to trap that sort of behaviour. I ask for examples and they shake their heads as if I am newly born and count off on their fingers: reading and comparing computer addresses, cookies, built-in code in the software, and the list goes on. A friend also mentioned that providing the site keeps a full database, then they can look at any hand and analyse hands looking for statistical anomalies. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Carl Heydman, 23. Feb 2003 13:33 | ||
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| I think the FAQ on Planet Poker addresses this concern. They state that there are ways to monitor hands for collusion. But then collusion can happen in live games too. Watch peoples coasters. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, chasepoker, 24. Feb 2003 04:01 | ||
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| Whilst round a friends house recently we ended up playing on-line in the same comp off the same connection, whilst we didnt cheat, we soon became aware of how easy it would have been. I am not any sort of IT expert ( in fact i thought cookies were things you eat ) but surely it must be possible for sites to not allow people to connect from the same connection ( if you get my point) or is there some reason why they have to / can't detect it ? Best Regards, Bill Gates | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Boyd Barker, 28. Feb 2003 14:15 | ||
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| Well, there are many people who play at the same time as friends, or husband/wife, etc, who don't play at the same tables. For all the sites care, you could be an internet cafe with 20+ people playing, so long as you're not playing at the same table. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Kalei, 24. Feb 2003 10:17 | ||
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| Your "computer wonks" have a lot of faith in online cardrooms. I'm sure the sites have a lot of measures in place to combat collusion, but the fact of the matter is, ANY of those measures can be beaten very simply: One room, 2+ computers, 2+ phone lines, 2 different ISPs. The people colluding dial up, log in to a poker site, and bam, collusion is not only possible, but nearly impossible to detect, as long as the players don't do anything stupid. No cookies or any type of security measure can combat this kind of deceit, I'd be happy to hear otherwise. Scenarios like these are what keep me from playing for money online. It just seems too easy. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, shorn, 24. Feb 2003 11:11 | ||
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| on 24. Feb 2003 10:17 Kalei wrote: > Your "computer wonks" have a lot of faith in online cardrooms. I'm sure the sites have a lot of > measures in place to combat collusion, but the fact of the matter is, ANY of those measures can be > beaten very simply: > > One room, 2+ computers, 2+ phone lines, 2 different ISPs. The people colluding dial up, log in to > a poker site, and bam, collusion is not only possible, but nearly impossible to detect, as long as > the players don't do anything stupid. No cookies or any type of security measure can combat this > kind of deceit, I'd be happy to hear otherwise. > > Scenarios like these are what keep me from playing for money online. It just seems too easy. Just as easy in a B&M if two friends play at the same table. Where can or do you play where there is no possibility of collusion? My advice is to just stay away from the bigger games online (15-30 and up) where the amount of $$ to be made from colluding is attractive enough to risk it. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, markb, 24. Feb 2003 17:23 | ||
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| I agree with this last post in both that it is just as easy to collude in a B&M game and that if there are games that are succeptible, it is the higher limits. In those games you will notice that there are many of the same players in the games day in and day out. It seems that they ould get suspicious quickly. | ||
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| Re: Online Poker, Boyd Barker, 28. Feb 2003 14:19 | ||
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| Well, the use of IP address conflicts, etc are just one of many tools that are used to combat collusion. More important than this is hand analysis, which no amount of trickyness can protect against. Basically, if you or a "buddy" of yours play together often and your hands have a pattern that points to collusion, then your accounts get watched. The only way to get around this would be to have new accounts for every time that you log in, but this would quickly become very difficult to manage due to address checks, account validation techniques, etc. Bottom line is that it's more profitable to just get good. | ||
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