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 When is the pot big?, shorn, 20. Feb 2003 11:34 | ||
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| I have read in many books that you should play certain hands a certain way "when the pot is big". Also, you should change your strategy at times to do do everything possibble to maximize your chances of winning"a pot that has become big." My question is, how many big bets in the pot denote "big"? I don't think that has ever been laid out in print. Help! Steve | ||
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| Re: When is the pot big?, Andrew Wells, 20. Feb 2003 11:37 | ||
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| Generally I figure that a pot is big when a player with a gut shot has correct odds (full pot, not implied) to call one bet, assuming all four outs are live. | ||
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| Re: When is the pot big?, shorn, 20. Feb 2003 11:46 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 11:37 Andrew Wells wrote: > Generally I figure that a pot is big when a player with a gut shot has correct odds > (full pot, not implied) to call one bet, assuming all four outs are live. That is kind of what I thought, but it was always frustrating because no one ever said it that way. Thanks for the input. | ||
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| Re: When is the pot big? Sklansky's advice, Snorbolus, 20. Feb 2003 15:15 | ||
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| I have often wondered what D. Sklansky meant when he wrote “do everything possibble to maximize your chances of winning a pot that has become big." At first I thought that he was suggesting you should raise and re-raise more than usual, in an effort to drive others out of the pot. However, that seems like poor advice in situations where you are not sure if you are best or if you are drawing. I now believe that he simply meant you should not slowplay strong hands or try to trap opponents for more bets when the pot is already big; because you are risking the whole pot for a few extra bets at most. I am very interested to hear what others think about this advice and my interpretation of it. Snorbolus on 20. Feb 2003 11:34 shorn wrote: > I have read in many books that you should play certain hands a certain way "when > the pot is big". Also, you should change your strategy at times to do do > everything possibble to maximize your chances of winning"a pot that has become > big." My question is, how many big bets in the pot denote "big"? I don't think > that has ever been laid out in print. Help! > > Steve | ||
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| Re: When is the pot big? Sklansky's advice, Andrew Wells, 20. Feb 2003 19:23 | ||
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| That's how I see it too. It also means sometimes that you have to risk giving a free card on the flop so that your potential raise on the turn will have a better chance of knocking out players with four or five out type hands from rivering you. | ||
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| Re: When is the pot big? Sklansky's advice, shorn, 21. Feb 2003 04:46 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 19:23 Andrew Wells wrote: > That's how I see it too. It also means sometimes that you have to risk giving a free card > on the flop so that your potential raise on the turn will have a better chance of knocking > out players with four or five out type hands from rivering you. You guys have helped clear this up for me. I always struggle though when in EP with a solid hand as to when to check raise when the pot has become relatively large (say 10-12 SBs). It seems that the situation must be perfect (i.e., you are first to act and are relatively sure that the person on your immediate right will be the bettor) with more than two other players in the pot to risk not betting out and giving drawing hands the "infinite" odds. I generally err on the side of not trying to checkraise the flop with a straight or two-flush out there. Anyway, I appreciate the thoughts on this dilemma. Steve | ||
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| Re: When is the pot big?, Tad Perry, 20. Feb 2003 18:57 | ||
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| I think that once a pot becomes so big that draws to 2-card outs become correct, that's a big pot. (When you factor in implied odds, even a pot of 16SB preflop is starting to get large.) I would define it this way because if all common draws have odds, all draws will stay and that's what causes you to need to change some things. As for doing everything you can to win such a pot, each time you bet or raise is basically saying "This pot is mine!" to everyone else and bluffing is only going to work if that claim is very believable. You might be lieing and you might be telling the truth (or even think you're telling the truth when actually you're wrong, or even think you're lieing when no one can even beat your high-card bluff) but in any case that's the meaning of a bet or raise. So it helps you, on average, to have a very strong hand associated with your willingness to bet and raise so that bluffing a big pot is effective. tvp | ||
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