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 shorted handed vs full game, jake-free, 20. Feb 2003 07:31 | ||
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| If you're a very good player,can you win more playing short handed limit holdem or playing in a full ring game? good luck | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, stdioh, 20. Feb 2003 07:37 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 07:31 jake-free wrote: > If you're a very good player,can you win more playing short handed > limit holdem or playing in a full ring game? > good luck In a shorthanded game, the rake/session fee start eating you alive, so it really depends on your opponents. I'd much rather play shorthanded with 3 fish than at a full table with 3 fish, but in general, when a raked game gets shorthanded it gets harder for anybody to beat. Not too long ago there were two players I didn't know going heads up on the 50-100 table with a $9 session fee every half hour. My comment to my friends was, either both of them are very stupid or one of them is very stupid. If both are competent players, then there is really no way for either to have a +EV. | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, Nathaniel Brous, 20. Feb 2003 08:09 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 07:37 stdioh wrote: > Not too long ago there were two players I didn't know going heads up on the 50-100 table with a $9 session fee every half hour. My comment to my friends was, either both of them are very stupid or one of them is very stupid. If both are competent players, then there is really no way for either to have a +EV. I gotta diagree here. I would play headsup vs a competent player if I had even the slimmest of edges. I would only have to overcome a single big bet every five hours. Wouldn't you play headsup 5-10 with a 90cent halfhour session fee? It's all relative. If I had to keep my victim on the table, I would probably pay his time as well. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, stdioh, 20. Feb 2003 10:23 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 08:09 Nathaniel Brous wrote: > on 20. Feb 2003 07:37 stdioh wrote: > > Not too long ago there were two players I didn't know going heads up on the 50-100 > table with a $9 session fee every half hour. My comment to my friends was, either both of > them are very stupid or one of them is very stupid. If both are competent players, then > there is really no way for either to have a +EV. > > I gotta diagree here. I would play headsup vs a competent player if I had even the > slimmest of edges. I would only have to overcome a single big bet every five hours. > Wouldn't you play headsup 5-10 with a 90cent halfhour session fee? It's all relative. If > I had to keep my victim on the table, I would probably pay his time as well. - Nathaniel > Brous That's the crux of the matter. If I were playing somebody who was worse than I, then he is stupid to play me heads up. I would certainly play against an inferior player and pay the session. However, I think I have a much better expectation playing at a table with those I know I can beat. But you are right in that if I think I have an edge it is worth playing. | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, Mark, 20. Feb 2003 09:42 | ||
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| it all depends. Do you use the correct stradegies? do your opponents. There are a number of variables which go into the equation. Sometimes shorthanded games are more profitable than the available full ring games, sometimes not. Personally, i like 5-7 players at a table. I seem to get consistant profits at with a slightly short table. Mark | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, stdioh, 20. Feb 2003 10:24 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 09:42 Mark wrote: > it all depends. Do you use the correct stradegies? do your opponents. There are a > number of variables which go into the equation. > > Sometimes shorthanded games are more profitable than the available full ring games, > sometimes not. Personally, i like 5-7 players at a table. I seem to get consistant > profits at with a slightly short table. I find that the biggest problem with shorthanded games in casinos is that the fish do not adjust their strategies. Thus, things that are woeful mistakes preflop in a 10 man game become correct play in a 5 man game. I find that this, in general, reduces my edge. | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, WilliamS, 20. Feb 2003 15:52 | ||
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| In my opinion and limited experience, a short handed game (i.e. online 5 player tables) magnifies your advantage or disadvantage compared to the other players at the table. I would prefer to play a 5 player table as long as there is at least one remarkably bad player there. On the rarest and greatest occasion you can find a table with 3 fish and one solid player to join in. But if there were many of those tables forums like this might be very quiet. On the other side of things, if you are the weakest player at the table, I feel your weakness will show up quicker and be exploited more dramatically than at a full ring game where your bad play can sometimes slip through the cracks. | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, markb, 20. Feb 2003 19:12 | ||
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| I don't think it is so much a matter of being a good player as the ability to adapt your playing style to a short handed game. I find that most players that are on the tight side struggle in short handed games. Like all games, different player types will determine your play, but in general, you need to be a little more aggressive and play hands that aren't quites as strong in a short game. | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, Tad Perry, 20. Feb 2003 19:17 | ||
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| on 20. Feb 2003 07:31 jake-free wrote: > If you're a very good player,can you win more playing short handed > limit holdem or playing in a full ring game? This is highly opponent-dependent. You need to have an edge over at least some of your opponents. The bigger the better, obviously. Short-handed, it's more likely to be in a situation where skill level is close and the rake and blinds become a problem. The time when you truly would prefer short-handed is when you're a far better player than everyone else in the game. Even one strong player besides yourself can be hard to avoid and dangerous to confront. Your question is difficult because you're asking about *rate* of win. If a game is full, but not much action, smallish pots, and pretty competitive, a lot of your opportunities are bluffing and you can only get away with so much of that, or you have to wait around for a hand. If the pots are big, then even though you wait and wait, those few hands you do win can represent a big influx of chips. My favorite choice would be short-handed against weak competition. tvp | ||
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| Re: shorted handed vs full game, TOM WAGGONER, 20. Feb 2003 22:41 | ||
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| I prefer full ring games, but I have played quite a bit of short handed also, ranging from 20-40 to 50-100, with mixed results. I think the most important concept shorthanded, is your own ability and your opponents abilities to adjust, cause the game is quite different than a full ring game. It is crucial to be able to handicapp yourself in these games. You must play looser if you are a rock, or you will get killed. You also must bluff more often. If you haven't played much shorthanded, I would advise playing very low limits to learn before jumping up. Good luck. | ||
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