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another AQ question, Mark, 19. Feb 2003 12:13
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I'm in a fairly tight 2-4 online game. Avg. 4 players seeing the flop. Most players starting requirements are a little loose, but their pre-flop raising requirements are pretty tight. This means there is alot of limping.

I'm in middle position and pick up AQ offsuit. UTG ( a tight smart player ) limps. He either has 2 face cards (not AK) or a medium pair. (we'll say he is in position 3).
Position 4 player folds.
Position 5 player raises. He has tight raising standards. He would raise with face cards as low as AJ suited and AQ offsuit. he would also raise with a pair as low JJ (maybe 10-10).
Position 6 player folds.

my turn. If i raise, I would probably isolate the raiser, but I would probably be up against a hand as good or better than mine. The only way I wouldn't isolate the raise is if someone else had KK or AA.

If I call, the BB and the UTG will probably call, so we'll see the flop 4 handed. I'll have position on the field but will give the BB and the UTG a chance to catch something.

I could always fold. There is a good chance i'm facing an uphill battle or will split the pot.

What should I have done?

I called and we took the flop 4 handed. 3 rags fall 8, 6, 3. the UTG bets ( he usually bets overcards on the flop). the raiser and I both call. BB folds. The turn is a 2. UTG bets again. I figure him for a set and fold. The raise calls to the river. Raise had AQ and UTG had pocket 6s for a set.

So my reads were right, but what should i have done. Looking back folding seems like a much better choice. With raising a second and calling a distant 3rd.

Thanks in advance

Mark



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Re: another AQ question, Dynasty, 19. Feb 2003 15:31
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You should always fold AQo against a tight raiser.
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Re: another AQ question, Andrew Wells, 19. Feb 2003 16:21
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I fold in that spot pre-flop without hesitation.
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Re: another AQ question, stdioh, 19. Feb 2003 17:12
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on 19. Feb 2003 12:13 Mark wrote:
> I'm in a fairly tight 2-4 online game. Avg. 4 players seeing the flop. Most
> players starting requirements are a little loose, but their pre-flop raising
> requirements are pretty tight. This means there is alot of limping.
>
> I'm in middle position and pick up AQ offsuit. UTG ( a tight smart player )
> limps. He either has 2 face cards (not AK) or a medium pair. (we'll say he is
> in position 3).
> Position 4 player folds.
> Position 5 player raises. He has tight raising standards. He would raise with
> face cards as low as AJ suited and AQ offsuit. he would also raise with a pair
> as low JJ (maybe 10-10).
> Position 6 player folds.
>
> my turn. If i raise, I would probably isolate the raiser, but I would probably
> be up against a hand as good or better than mine. The only way I wouldn't
> isolate the raise is if someone else had KK or AA.
>
> If I call, the BB and the UTG will probably call, so we'll see the flop 4
> handed. I'll have position on the field but will give the BB and the UTG a
> chance to catch something.
>
> I could always fold. There is a good chance i'm facing an uphill battle or
> will split the pot.
>
> What should I have done?
>
> I called and we took the flop 4 handed. 3 rags fall 8, 6, 3. the UTG bets (
> he usually bets overcards on the flop). the raiser and I both call. BB folds.
> The turn is a 2. UTG bets again. I figure him for a set and fold. The raise
> calls to the river. Raise had AQ and UTG had pocket 6s for a set.
>
> So my reads were right, but what should i have done. Looking back folding
> seems like a much better choice. With raising a second and calling a distant
> 3rd.

This is an application of the gap concept. There are hands that you can raise preflop with, but cannot call a preflop raise (made by a good player) with. AQ is one of those. What raising hands are there that you have dominated? Just AJ. Every other hand worth raising can kick the snot out of you or if you are lucky is coin flippy (JJ). You really don't want to be up against AK here because if you hit your ace you get totally poked.
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