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 Whoa is me, ump, 19. Feb 2003 06:09 | ||
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| Hi Mike, Let me first say that I am a newcomer at poker and am just head over heels about the game. I have a friend (coach)who is a veteran and claims to have the game beat. I believe him. I have played 20 times on-line in a small game (the same 10players) each night, and I have played probably 20 times @ Foxwoods. I have been instructed to only play good starting hands and let the flyers play the lesser hands.. Well, to date, I have logged 4 wins all less than 50 dollars some of them single digit. Have about 1000.00 tied up and am considering giving the game up. I can understand a few bad beats but EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE is suckin out river wins on me. I'm told that "In the long run the better players will end up w/ all the money...Nothing else is possible" BUT, I want to be one of those better players. I have read much of your published material and have a subscription to Card Player. I feel that even though my career is in its infancy, I am a better player than 90% of the players at the table.. BUT I constantly lose. WHY????? I feel I am doing everything right but my last attempt lasted 5 hrs @ Foxwoods 2-4 limit hold-em was disaterous. I won 2 pots and split another for a net loss of 200. Can you help me??? Is there any help for me???? Looking for, Straight Flushes Ump | ||
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| Re: Whoa is me, Mark, 19. Feb 2003 08:44 | ||
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| Hi UMP everybody goes through that when they start. My problem was that I just called too much with strong hands even when i thought i was beat. I also gave my opponents too much credit. I would think to myself "he wouldn't play 7-2 offsuit", but they allways did. When i started playing i read as much as i could find and thought I applied it. Now i realize it was not appling it. You should play much tighter than you are playing right now. There is no magic formula. Reread your books and post hands here. 1)don't play anything but premium hands in early position. 2)be the tightest player at the table. 3)be very aggressive when you have something. 4)Know your opponents will all be drawing to gutshot straights and backdoor flushes 5) don't assume anyone is bluffing unless you have very good reason to assume it. take some time off to re-read all your books, think about your big loses and try to figure out what you did anything wrong. good luck and i hope you don't give up. Mark | ||
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| Re: Whoa is me, stdioh, 19. Feb 2003 17:25 | ||
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| on 19. Feb 2003 06:09 ump wrote: > Hi Mike, > Let me first say that I am a newcomer at poker and am just head over heels > about the game. I have a friend (coach)who is a veteran and claims to have the > game beat. I believe him. I have played 20 times on-line in a small game (the > same 10players) each night, and I have played probably 20 times @ Foxwoods. I > have been instructed to only play good starting hands and let the flyers play > the lesser hands.. Well, to date, I have logged 4 wins all less than 50 dollars > some of them single digit. Have about 1000.00 tied up and am considering giving > the game up. I can understand a few bad beats but EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE is > suckin out river wins on me. I'm told that "In the long run the better players > will end up w/ all the money...Nothing else is possible" BUT, I want to be one > of those better players. I have read much of your published material and have a > subscription to Card Player. I feel that even though my career is in its > infancy, I am a better player than 90% of the players at the table.. BUT I > constantly lose. WHY????? > I feel I am doing everything right but my last attempt lasted 5 hrs @ Foxwoods > 2-4 limit hold-em was disaterous. I won 2 pots and split another for a net loss > of 200. Can you help me??? Is there any help for me???? > Looking for, > Straight Flushes > Ump One problem I (and I think every other player in the world) had starting out is that I knew just enough to be dangerous. It is very easy to think that you are beating the game just because you are beating the players at the game, but there is also that pesky rake...it takes a lot more than you would think and when you're only marginally beating the players, the rake will get you badly. Also, it is very easy to be a dog to the fish when they are schooling and you do not taylor your play appropriately. If you go in with aces against a big crowd, they are going to get cracked a lot. When you realize that they are cracked and throw them away, that will save you money. If you're going to beat a fishy game for 1-2 BB/hour then you have to find a way to sneak an extra big bet on every pot that you win and a way to save one on every pot that you lose. This makes the difference between a good winning player and a good losing player. | ||
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| Re: Whoa is me, bygoon1, 20. Feb 2003 09:46 | ||
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| You have to give it time . How many books have you read, and how many times have you read them? How many hours have spent on poker software play. I don't play anything lower than 10-20, so I can't tell u what to expect from a 2-4 game but i would be surprised if anybody could make money ( beat the rake) at 2-4. Its a couple year process. The more effort you spend the luckier you'll be. | ||
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| Re: Whoa is me, flintsword, 20. Feb 2003 19:13 | ||
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| You are going to get some good advice here, so keep some records and apply it. Then come back and post how the advice helped your game. Poker is getting more popular. Becoming an aggressive players with knowledge and experience should be your goal. It does take time and objectivity. Play tight to start out, read some good books (check the archives here, the subject of poker books is a regular one ...), and post some puzzling hands where you thought you were right but got toasted. Lou Kreiger is a good start as far as books go. Observe. In your games, "observe" who is raising. Is he raising too much? Since you are a beginner, I'll include a link for a classic poker story, my apologies if you have already read it. Here it is: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1807_301/68018764/p1/article.jhtml This is the classic "Fortune's Smile" by James Mcmanus, who made the final table at the WSOP in 2000 and wrote about it in Harper's Magazine. | ||
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| Re: Whoa is me, Randy Vanderwerf, 21. Feb 2003 17:44 | ||
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| I have to chuckle when ever I read this type of posting. Poker is a long term investment, no shortcuts to being a winner, other than playing and reading the literature. I have thousands of hours logged in on games from 2/4 HE to 15/30 HE, in STUD, and Omaha, I am a long term winner in all of them. But in almost all of them are periods were I can't buy a pot or hold onto the ones I started off with as the best hand. But do I care? No, not really. I know I am a 2 BB an hour winner and I can read the table personalities and betting styles well enough to dodge the bullets they will fire at me. And as long as my log tells me I am still making money at my play then I am happy, and content for the most part. You need to create a good log and keep a diary of play and players you meet. I like to makeup names for the people I play with in live action games, one guy in particular is 'Clown-boy'. He is a good omaha player, but I know his weaknesses and can play him any day for a win. This is not to say I haven't been spanked by him now and then, for in poker as in life, there will be beatings, it is how you handle them that make the man, and the player. Read ZEN poker, it is a excellent book for getting a good tilt on playing and not getting frustrated as easily. Get the book, and don't quit the game to soon, pay your tuition, be observent, and in time, you will be in the elite grouping of long term winners......by the way, been playing poker since HS about 27 years. Knew I could be a player from my Navy days, learned how to read people first, cards second. | ||
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| Re: Whoa is me, BreadnButter, 24. Feb 2003 18:02 | ||
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| Play a higher limit than 2/4 and 3/6, if your bankroll can afford it. The higher up you go the more you get rewarded for correct plays. BreadnButter | ||
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