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 On-Line Security, george kraynak, 18. Feb 2003 09:29 | ||
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| I have played on-line at Paradise Poker 4 times for about 2-3 weeks each time. I am a winner overall. I believe something changes after the first week. I always go ahead 1-2 thousand dollars in the first week. I then cash out my original buy-in or more. I then lose my remaining bankroll almost immeditely. Has anyone else experienced this type of "luck"? Does Paradise give you lucky cards early on? Do other players start intercepting my cards, and know what I have? I do not believe natural swings in statistics and probalities are taking place. | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, Mark, 18. Feb 2003 09:42 | ||
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| I have noticed the same "phenomenon" (spelling ?) at other sites. If you keep notes on your own play you'll probably notice you play a little looser after you win. That's what happened to me. The more money i won the more hands i would play. The best way to avoid this is to keep your online bankroll to a minimum. If your playing a $3-6 game there is no need to have more than $200.00 in your account. If you go bust you can always put more in. Try cashing out every time you reach a specified amount, mine is $200.00, but no more than once a week. I lost my small bankroll just yesterday, had to make a small deposit, played a smaller limit, and am back to a healthy stack. I play much better when the pressure is on, not when I am risking 0.1% of my stack. With a small bankroll, and a healthy hatred for depositing, you'll play much better and won't chase as many hands. Mark | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, David A, 18. Feb 2003 10:44 | ||
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| The samt thing happened to me. I play at ladbrokes though. I won consistently on low limit game and my bankroll was about 600$. Then i´d started losing, now I´m down to 200$. Can´t figure out why. I don´t think my game is worse now than then. | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, stdioh, 18. Feb 2003 11:56 | ||
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| on 18. Feb 2003 09:29 george kraynak wrote: > I have played on-line at Paradise Poker 4 times for about 2-3 weeks each time. I > am a winner overall. > I believe something changes after the first week. I always go ahead 1-2 > thousand dollars in the first week. I then cash out my original buy-in or more. > I then lose my remaining bankroll almost immeditely. > Has anyone else experienced this type of "luck"? > Does Paradise give you lucky cards early on? > Do other players start intercepting my cards, and know what I have? > I do not believe natural swings in statistics and probalities are taking place. It could be that the tinfoil on your head has come loose and they have started reading your mind. Paradise is a respected cardroom and it would be a major scandal if somebody was intercepting cards. They make enough money doing honest business that they don't need to cheat you. Something new and unproven like vcpoker scares me more. They "disqualified" me from a freeroll after I had won it and been paid when I tried to cash out my roll there. As for encryption, it is between your computer and their server, so anything that was intercepted surreptitiously (sp?) between the two would be useless as it would take an impractical amount of time to decrypt it by brute force. | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, george kraynak, 18. Feb 2003 13:06 | ||
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| on 18. Feb 2003 11:56 stdioh wrote: > on 18. Feb 2003 09:29 george kraynak wrote: > > I have played on-line at Paradise Poker 4 times for about 2-3 weeks each time. I > > > am a winner overall. > > I believe something changes after the first week. I always go ahead 1-2 > > thousand dollars in the first week. I then cash out my original buy-in or more. > > I then lose my remaining bankroll almost immeditely. > > Has anyone else experienced this type of "luck"? > > Does Paradise give you lucky cards early on? > > Do other players start intercepting my cards, and know what I have? > > I do not believe natural swings in statistics and probalities are taking place. > > It could be that the tinfoil on your head has come loose and they have started > reading your mind. Paradise is a respected cardroom and it would be a major scandal > if somebody was intercepting cards. They make enough money doing honest business that > they don't need to cheat you. Something new and unproven like vcpoker scares me more. > They "disqualified" me from a freeroll after I had won it and been paid when I tried > to cash out my roll there. > > As for encryption, it is between your computer and their server, so anything that > was intercepted surreptitiously (sp?) between the two would be useless as it would > take an impractical amount of time to decrypt it by brute force. I am not accusing PP of anything illegal, I am trying to find out if I am alone in this experience. Are their records of who consistently beat the larger games open for review? If you think it impossible for anyone to hack their system you may be naive. Do you think a different encryption is used by each user. If they are not changing encryption methods all the time, it may be a simple process to decode a message. If you look at the raw data you recieve and catalog it versus the card you recieve, you may be able to know what card was sent without actually breaking the encryption. If you had another window running the Paradise software , you could possibly have that window showing the cards in my hand. Or could a real hack simply look into my computer and see what is displayed? | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, Daniel Horowitz, 18. Feb 2003 13:16 | ||
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| I wholeheartedly believe that paradise is a respected site but the exact same thing happend to me twice. I attribute it more to the general variance that one experiences over their playing time. The amount I won and then lost was not so significant considering how many big bets it was. | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, stdioh, 18. Feb 2003 14:49 | ||
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| on 18. Feb 2003 13:06 george kraynak wrote: > on 18. Feb 2003 11:56 stdioh wrote: > > on 18. Feb 2003 09:29 george kraynak wrote: > > > I have played on-line at Paradise Poker 4 times for about 2-3 weeks each time. I > > > > > am a winner overall. > > > I believe something changes after the first week. I always go ahead 1-2 > > > thousand dollars in the first week. I then cash out my original buy-in or more. > > > I then lose my remaining bankroll almost immeditely. > > > Has anyone else experienced this type of "luck"? > > > Does Paradise give you lucky cards early on? > > > Do other players start intercepting my cards, and know what I have? > > > I do not believe natural swings in statistics and probalities are taking place. > > > > It could be that the tinfoil on your head has come loose and they have started > > reading your mind. Paradise is a respected cardroom and it would be a major scandal > > if somebody was intercepting cards. They make enough money doing honest business that > > > they don't need to cheat you. Something new and unproven like vcpoker scares me more. > > > They "disqualified" me from a freeroll after I had won it and been paid when I tried > > to cash out my roll there. > > > > As for encryption, it is between your computer and their server, so anything that > > was intercepted surreptitiously (sp?) between the two would be useless as it would > > take an impractical amount of time to decrypt it by brute force. > > I am not accusing PP of anything illegal, I am trying to find out if I am alone in this > experience. Are their records of who consistently beat the larger games open for review? > If you think it impossible for anyone to hack their system you may be naive. > Do you think a different encryption is used by each user. If they are not changing > encryption methods all the time, it may be a simple process to decode a message. If you > look at the raw data you recieve and catalog it versus the card you recieve, you may be > able to know what card was sent without actually breaking the encryption. If you had > another window running the Paradise software , you could possibly have that window showing > the cards in my hand. Or could a real hack simply look into my computer and see what is > displayed? I think your limited knowledge of computer security is the problem here. Generally speaking, any piece of software can be made very secure using standard encryption packages. When the software (and all poker software works thusly) is used, it establishes a secure handshake with the server. Now the code is established in 128 bit RSA. The amount of time it would take to break this code with a big toshiba mainframe is undoubtedly longer than your connection would last; after this time, the code would be irrelevant. Also, it is worth noting that the codes are always different, at least in terms of they are never necessarilly the same to the point of random noise. So the short answer is no, nobody can easilly hack your machine in this way. Now, if somebody has already rooted your machine, that is a different story. Likewise, if somebody has an elaborate tempest on you (such as monitoring the colour of the glow on your walls and using that to reconstruct your screen pixel by pixel) then it is indeed possible to read your cards, but anybody perpetrating such action would likely be a government or be in it for very big money...I doubt that anybody so sophisticated would go to such lengths for a couple of grand. | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, MighyPip, 18. Feb 2003 18:45 | ||
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| I wil not pay PP at the moment , but more for spite than anything. I regularly played $2/4. Went on a $5/10 for fun with $200 and got up to $1200 in one night. Played the night after, with cautionous play and lost hand after hand with full houses losing to bigger ones, nut flushes losing to full houses, AK losing to AQ on the river ... etc, limped away with $150 cursing my luck. Dont know if that is what u guys are talking about, but haven't touched the site since and doing OK | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, Mark, 18. Feb 2003 13:51 | ||
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| Hi guys, I'm not trying to be an a**H*l*, and i went through the exact same thing. But it probably has alot more to do with your play than anything else. When people win alot they get very confident and loosen up a little. its called "riding the rush". They play hands they normally wouldn't. You can actually use this against opponents who just won a big pot with a drawing hand. Everybody goes through swings, sometimes its the cards, most times its a players abilities. For all the people who went through these strange loosing streaks, ask yourself " DO I attribute loosing sessions or streaks to my abilities?" Now ask yourself " Do i ever attribute winning sessions or streaks to my abilities?" The answers to these 2 questions should be Yes. If they're not, your not being honest with yourself. Mark | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, flintsword, 20. Feb 2003 19:30 | ||
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| Isn't that the truth, ... you win for a while and then you loosen up and ***surprise*** you suddenly start to lose. It happens to me despite regular warnings by my betters in the game of poker (ie) "everyone", but it comes down to discipline, ... not everyone's strong suit. There is also the fact that online you play a LOT more hands, so it appears like you lose more games per hour. | ||
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| Re: On-Line Security, TAKEDOWN, 19. Feb 2003 05:49 | ||
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| I had the same questions about all 3 of the online sites I play on. After reading the replys of the players on this site,(both online and B&M) and examining the charts I have been keeping on my own play for the last year, I have concluded that fluctuations of up to 500 units are not uncommon. I am defining a unit as the amont of the 1st bet in whatever limit game you're in.( 1 unit= $3 in a 3/6 game). | ||
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