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 Why do you think you lose?, Roy Cooke, 17. Feb 2003 18:18 | ||
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| I am curious to the answer to this question for players that have yet to cross the thresshold of victory. Why is it you think you do not beat the game? | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, Alan Lister, 17. Feb 2003 20:09 | ||
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| I have noticed that I lose when I play to have fun, and I win when I am in the poker room to play my best game. I have to explain that I am a poker dealer, and I notice that if I play when I get off work, it tends to be different than when I leave my home to play. When I get off and play, I don't think I have the focus necessary to play well. When I am in a poker room only to play, I can focus on good play. Perhaps it is just being tired or related to too much poker related activity. I also lose when I chase too much or play starters on a hunch. I know better, but I do these things when I am not focused. I win most of the time when I am staying in a casino and playing to achieve the poker rate. This is the focus matter again. To truely get a discount, I must do no worse than break even. | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, Ostebovik, 17. Feb 2003 20:59 | ||
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| I was just contemplating this very question. I was going to post asking if I was playing bad or running bad. I play in the Seattle area at a card club sitting 4/8. I haven't been playing all that long, 6 mo or so, but I have done as much reading, studying and research as I can. I play about 2 or 3 times a week. My last 2 sessions have been losses of $150/$140 respectively but for the year (I started keeping a journal at the beginning of the year to track my progress) I am up $480 in 26 hrs played. I play tight and aggressive. If I have doubts about a starting hand in a particular position I usually muck it. Today I got 4 hands to play in 2.5 hours and 3 or them got beat. I am looking to my game as the problem and wondering how I can improve it but I am at a loss when I seem to play as "taught" but still find myself short-stacked. Suggestions? Gerard. | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, Ted Good, 18. Feb 2003 06:00 | ||
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| Quite simply put: FOCUS. Lose it and you lose at the game, keep it and win. | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, Mark, 18. Feb 2003 09:32 | ||
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| I definately agree with Ted. I am winning online and in home games and almost exactly even in casinos. Once you understand pot odds and position, the biggest thing is focus. Without focus you will not apply your knowledge of pot odds and position. Position is very import. I used to think i understood the importance of position, but i didn't. If you track your results with regards to postion you will notice a HUGE difference between early and late position. Somebody once said that many winning players are life-time losers out of early positions, and I am starting to believe this. Mark | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, 3Kings, 18. Feb 2003 08:03 | ||
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| Most of my losing sessions occur when I am down early. I have time constraints, (either work or pick-up duty). If I know I have to leave soon, then I start playing marginal or weak hands so I can get at least some of it back. Usually, I don't get it back. At the poker room I play at, there is only 5-10 and 10-20. If there are two games for each running which is the norm, you are automatically put in the feeder game and moved to the main game when a seat opens up. You are at the mercy of the players who are already there. Since I play at most twice a month and travel about an hour each way, I give in and play in games where my opponents are hands down better otherwise, I don't play. Last year, I finished up about $1 per hour which is nice since I lost over $600 my first two months. The key for me, not lose early. | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, stdioh, 18. Feb 2003 09:31 | ||
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| I'm a winning player in 5-10 and 10-20, which are the lowest stakes at the casino where I play. So far I'm making over $20/hour, though I must admit that is higher than I think it should be. However, in home games, playing 1-2 I tend to do very badly. I think that this is a question of not respecting the limit. I find it very easy to see a small bet as a dollar instead of a small bet and find that I'd rather pay to throw some chips around for fun than play good poker and make $2/hour. This morning I witnessed the same thing on a much larger scale at the 20-40. There is a kid who plays blackjack to the tune of posting daily wins and losses in the tune of tens of thousands. Today he went all-in preflop with a woman, "stilettos", who IMHO is one of the best 20-40/50-100 pros in the cardroom. This is limit, mind you, but he put in $750 preflop. She, quite obviously, had aces. He had 67o. Now I *know* that he's not so bad as to not realize that she was on aces and I *know* that he knew he was a big dog to aces. He just couldn't respect the limit and was "boredom tilting" | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, jake-free, 18. Feb 2003 11:17 | ||
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| when i play and i dont make mistakes i get upset start playing bad steam and go on tilt,than i quit.playing a tournament not getting good cards makes me mad and i loose it.i think its mental , i do have the skill | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, Hatchet Harry, 18. Feb 2003 12:42 | ||
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| At present i'm managing to hold my own at 2/4, 3/6, 5/10, but I figured I had a right to respond because of a recent event. Last year I beat the game for over 2 bucks an hour with a 1000 hours at the table (my first year playing). December & Jan I averaged 10 bucks an hour. In Feb 03, I figured I had learnt enough to dip my toe in the water at what appeared to be a loose 5 seated 10/20 game. 2 hours later I had dropped 800 bucks that I brought to the table. Why? In my view it was not skill, but confidence. I did'nt beleive I belonged. Am I mad..... No. I figure whilst quite expensive, it was a lesson that I would carry with me for the rest of the year and the memory alone would save me what I lost or possibly more. I think that self belief can be fundemental to achieving results. Was i mad at the time.... The cats recovering well -) Regards H | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, RamDannyboy, 18. Feb 2003 13:50 | ||
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| I have kept records since I started playing (about 2 years now) and am clearly ahead. Nevertheless, I do hit patches where I lose. Often these can be explained by normal statistical variance however where these periods go on for some time, I look for a leakage in my game. I am going thru such a period at the moment and have dropped down couple of limits to protect my bankroll. My suspicion is that I am not adapting to the changing game conditions quickly enough. In particular, as a table composition swings from very loose to standard to tight, I am caught pushing hands which use to have a +EV but now are extremely marginal. Remains to be seen if I am right. | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, Randy Vanderwerf, 19. Feb 2003 22:40 | ||
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| Losing is part of the game. NO ONE CAN WIN EVERY session. The important thing is your long term hourly rate, is it positive or negative. I have tracked mine for years and I am quite satisfied with it. When I am running bad for a period, I just look at the numbers for the last 9 years and I am very content! | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, nonameplayer, 20. Feb 2003 06:02 | ||
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| Hi Roy, Let me relate my personal experience and maybe it will add fodder for more deliberation on your Question. first let me qualify myself by saying that I played winning poker for ten years around Vegas, Reno and Tahoe always staying in the low to mid limits, never jeopardizing my bank roll any more than nessesary. You know; the toughest action in the world. Than suddenly I began to lose, session after session I came away from the table empty handed. I was a fan of Pearsy and Dole and had their books . I went back to the books , I did everything I knew of to find the problem and correct it but nothing worked. I continued to lose . I would change tables, change card rooms, even change towns ,nothing helped. finally I gave up playing full time and got a job. but still played when I could afford it . to no avail.I even lost a hand with a str* flush once. after a year I just gave up and did not play agian for 20yrs. Now Im playing a little on line with a little success but I'LL never be the player I was or hoped I could be. noname | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, FeliciaLee, 20. Feb 2003 12:11 | ||
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| Great question. Recently I have been experiencing a losing streak, both B&M here in Vegas (we winter in Vegas) and online. The most hilarious thing is that when I was a newbie, and knew very little about poker, I was a huge, consistant winner! I played super, squeaky tight. Tighter than the tightest Scotsman, lol. Once I had some experience under my belt, had read some books and logged thousands of hours playing, I started losing! Some of it has to do with the "too many bad beats" weak playing, I know that for sure. Other problems have to do with other leaks in my game. I am working on those, while at the same time playing a lot of tournaments, which seem to be giving me a hiatus from ring play and the problems I know I am experiencing with my game there. I am not delusional enough to assume that my losing is "bad luck" or all part of a downward streak. I know there are holes in my game and I am working my best (re-reading all of my books, studying articles online and "thinking poker" in general) to patch those holes. Felicia :) | ||
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| Re: Why do you think you lose?, flintsword, 20. Feb 2003 14:00 | ||
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| Great question. "you lose because you did not win". Sounds flip, but I mean that keeping your objectivity is the act that turns a player into a winner, no matter what the short -term result is. If you are objectively learning continually. If you look at the hand and the game in balance. If you consider other factors (see Ray's column this month) outside of the usual odds and position. If your table manner allows you to extract the true gold of poker: what you can learn as well as what you win. Then losing is part of the game and you improve and in the long term, will be a winner. | ||
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