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 Some Questions., Hatchet Harry, 17. Feb 2003 13:58 | ||
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| I would appreciate it if anybody can help me out in any of the following area's particulary in relation to hold-em. 1) What is the best defense against a player who percieves himself (and probably is) better than you and then moving to the seat on your left to gain position. I had this happen to me tonight and in the end I chose that the only defense was to play particularly tight. This worked ok as I played premium hands weakly and managed to make him make the mistakes. 2) If playing against a full table of opponents who you would define as solid, how much would you deviate from your own accepted starting standards. This situation would mean that mistakes would be at a minimum. 3) In a low limit hold-em game you hold AK in EP. the flop misses you and you check. A remainding player bets into you with what you are sure is a semi-bluff so you re-raise. but you know he will call your re-raise. a) Should you make the re-raise if you know he's going to call? b) Should you continue the bluff if you miss the turn by betting into your opponent (being unsure wether he has hit his hand or not) 4) I am trying to start analysing my opponents better (Regular Internet Opponents.). Generally i've previously labled them Tight / Loose - Aggresive / Passive, but I would now like to analyse particular opponents play (IE wether they are likely to overcall the turn with a strong hand and more opponents to bet or wether they are more likely to raise or wether they slow play premium hands ETC) If anybody has any general tips on how to compile analysis of this type or better way's of player analysis I would love to hear. Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers HH (with a headache!!!!) | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., stdioh, 17. Feb 2003 15:39 | ||
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| > 1) What is the best defense against a player who percieves himself (and > probably is) better than you and then moving to the seat on your left to gain > position. I had this happen to me tonight and in the end I chose that the only > defense was to play particularly tight. This worked ok as I played premium hands > weakly and managed to make him make the mistakes. Move seats yourself. Anything that you are going to do because he is on your left may give you a +ev against him, but if you are playing differently than you otherwise would, then you are likely losing EV against the rest of the table. That said, if he is a good player and you are playing with fish, then you want him on your left. Generally, I want fish to my right and solid players (or better yet rocks) to my left so that I can make isolation raises against fishy limps and maniac bets. It just means that when you are heads up with this guy, he'll have an advantage, but if you're playing a loose table you should rarely be heads up with him, since you should both be playing tight. | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., Hatchet Harry, 17. Feb 2003 16:25 | ||
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| Interesting point, I had considered this but I chose not to purely becuase the table was pretty solid (for 3/6 hehe) and i'm sure moving in response to my opponents move would have shown that I was intimidated by him. I felt that the gain of redressing the balance between myself and my opponent would ultimately be outweighed by the overall harm to my table image. Being that the game was fully seated and solid, I chose to leave (But not before I had maximised my earnings from his percieved image of me.) Thanks Harry | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., Mark, 18. Feb 2003 09:48 | ||
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| You should have switched seats. If you did it immediately the table probably would have percieved you as scared, so wait a short while then do it. You could always blame your luck for losing a hand than say you want a new seat for better luck. And even if everyone does perceive you as being scared, do you really care? As long as you are winning, what does it matter what other think? Do let ego get in the way of winning. Mark | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., Hatchet Harry, 18. Feb 2003 11:24 | ||
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| lol - my ego costs me more than my wife -) Regards H | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., stdioh, 18. Feb 2003 12:03 | ||
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| on 18. Feb 2003 09:48 Mark wrote: > And even if everyone does perceive you as being scared, do you really care? As long as you > are winning, what does it matter what other think? Do let ego get in the way of winning. Actually, I think that it is important that you are not perceived by everybody at the table as being scared. A winning player may want to be flashy or may want to be a ghost, but (s)he shouldn't be a target. When you're at a table and being attacked by the other players a number of things happen to hurt your odds. I work very hard, in terms of table image, to be loved by the fish and feared by the pros. I want a pro to look at my mildly crappy cards that won a big pot early in the session and say, "What is with this guy? He's obviously good, but I'm going to have trouble reading him and he seems inconsistent. I had better stay out of his way most of the time," and have the fish saying, "Wow. That guy played those cards there? He must really suck. I want to make sure I play in hands against him, even when my cards aren't THAT great." I find that isolation raises are a handy tool early in a session for accomplishing this because the baby players don't look at the reason for your raise...they just see you raising with QJ and figure that you are lousy when you're isolating a fish with a clear tell that he's on small suited connectors. | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., Mark, 18. Feb 2003 13:05 | ||
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| on 18. Feb 2003 12:03 stdioh wrote: > Actually, I think that it is important that you are not perceived by everybody at the table as > being scared. I agree with you to a certain point. Table image is very important, however, I would rather have a poor table image and be winning, or be in a good position, than be seated on the right of someone who is considerably better than be. As for being feared, that isn't necessarily the best table image for all games. Having opponents come after you with weak hands because they think you are scared can be very profitable. mark | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., stdioh, 18. Feb 2003 14:57 | ||
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| > As for being feared, that isn't necessarily the best table image for all games. Having opponents come > after you with weak hands because they think you are scared can be very profitable. Like I said, I want bad players to love me and good players to fear me. I don't want greak players playing me because they will still play me well. I poor players throwing a lot of money in with top pair when they are outkicked. With the good players, I'll give them respect and most of my calls will be of the crying variety. Then occaisionally I'll charge in with a busted draw and try to rob them. You can't be bluffed off a hand by a player you have no respect for unless you were going to lose it anyway. | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., Mark, 19. Feb 2003 09:04 | ||
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| Good point. Bluffing is not a big part of my game so I don't really worry about being feared. Mark | ||
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| Re: Some Questions., Roy Cooke, 17. Feb 2003 17:39 | ||
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| My answers are after each question. Roy Cooke on 17. Feb 2003 13:58 Hatchet Harry wrote: > I would appreciate it if anybody can help me out in any of the following area's > particulary in relation to hold-em. > > 1) What is the best defense against a player who percieves himself (and > probably is) better than you and then moving to the seat on your left to gain > position. I had this happen to me tonight and in the end I chose that the only > defense was to play particularly tight. This worked ok as I played premium hands > weakly and managed to make him make the mistakes. Roy Cooke: Change seats unless there are other reasons for you to remain where you are at. If he plays better than you he is probably not playing too many hands and the propensity to get in trouble will not be great. If he is trying to sit on you and is playing very aggressive against you when you enter a pot...try making a few trap plays with strong hands...that will get him off you! > > 2) If playing against a full table of opponents who you would define as solid, > how much would you deviate from your own accepted starting standards. This > situation would mean that mistakes would be at a minimum. Roy Cooke: If they are real solid I would find another game. If you are going to play I would play fewer hands and bet for value less. Bluff plays tend to work better in that texture of a game, but is still very depenent on the stituations and opponent. > > 3) In a low limit hold-em game you hold AK in EP. the flop misses you and you > check. A remainding player bets into you with what you are sure is a semi-bluff > so you re-raise. but you know he will call your re-raise. > > a) Should you make the re-raise if you know he's going to call? > b) Should you continue the bluff if you miss the turn by betting into your > opponent (being unsure wether he has hit his hand or not). Roy Cooke: A) Yes, if you are sure then your hand is good. B) It is not a bluff since you have the best hand. > > > 4) I am trying to start analysing my opponents better (Regular Internet > Opponents.). Generally i've previously labled them Tight / Loose - Aggresive / > Passive, but I would now like to analyse particular opponents play (IE wether > they are likely to overcall the turn with a strong hand and more opponents to > bet or wether they are more likely to raise or wether they slow play premium > hands ETC) > If anybody has any general tips on how to compile analysis of this type or > better way's of player analysis I would love to hear. Roy Cooke: I compartmentalize the player. I have a mindset I call ABC or by the book strategy and then I make not eof what they do DIFFERENTLY from that strategy. It makes it much easier for me to remember and act upon. > > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Cheers > HH (with a headache!!!!) Roy Cooke: CHEERS :-). Sorry didn't mean to yell when you had a headache. LOL | ||
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