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 Playing A-x suited, David A, 17. Feb 2003 11:34 | ||
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| Hi. When I learned to play hold´em. Maybe a year ago. I was told that in an unraised pot, always play A-x suited. Considering the low odds for making the flush, is this really worth it? What do you think? | ||
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| Re: Playing A-x suited, CapnD, 17. Feb 2003 11:42 | ||
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| Axs is golden in a loose, passive game. In a tight-aggressive game its junk except on rare occasions from late position. Sometimes you can isolate a fish with it, or you can try and steal the blinds with it, or sometimes you get 4 or 5 limpers even in a tight-aggressive game and you can limp with it. Be wary if a couple of tight players in early position limp in before. In a loose-aggressive game its usual junk, although occasionally you can limp from late position. If you hit your hand, your gonna get some serious action in a loose-aggressive game so its worth taking a few chances with it. | ||
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| Re: Playing A-x suited, Roy Cooke, 17. Feb 2003 12:18 | ||
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| on 17. Feb 2003 11:34 David A wrote: > Hi. > > When I learned to play hold´em. Maybe a year ago. I was told that in an > unraised pot, always play A-x suited. > > Considering the low odds for making the flush, is this really worth it? > > What do you think? Well..It depends. Suited cards do better in loose-passive games. The reason for that is that the cost to acquire a draw and the propensity to pick up a draw on the turn is greater. Also, players are there to give you action when you do make a hand. That said, if players are likely to raise behind you the hand loses value. The fewer players in the pot the lower the value of the hand. The better quality the players are in the game the more the hand loses value. To make the statement that you should play it for one bet is not analizing the play deep enough. Roy Cooke | ||
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| Re: Playing A-x suited, stdioh, 17. Feb 2003 16:14 | ||
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| on 17. Feb 2003 11:34 David A wrote: > Hi. > > When I learned to play hold´em. Maybe a year ago. I was told that in an > unraised pot, always play A-x suited. > > Considering the low odds for making the flush, is this really worth it? > > What do you think? It completely depends on position. If you are UTG, throw that crap away, because somebody could very well raise later on. Now, assuming that nobody is slowplaying, there's a very good chance that without a raise before you, nobody has got A-J, A-Q, A-K, or A-A. This means a couple of things. If you've got a flush or flush draw, you have the nuts and your hand is good, but chances of making a flush are only 4%. The real value of this hand is in the ace. Assuming that you flop an ace and *IMPORTANT* - are playing with GOOD players, then there is a good chance that either your ace no kicker is good, or that you can push somebody with a weak kicker off their better ace. Thus, if you play this from the puck, SB, or BB, it is important to play it agressively. You must play it as if you are holding AK and only back off is somebody re-agresses you. You want this hand to be paid for by people on draws, while you fold out AT and the likes. Of course you have to worry about other 2 pairs, etc, but the idea is that you might not have the best hand, but you win because you know that nobody has a hand better than JT. The reason that this hand is dangerous is that it is such a dog to any other ace. You really need to be able to read the other players at your table and you need to be ready to throw it away if somebody starts hammering at you. But the point is that you're not playing for a flush...the flush just sweetens this marginal hand and makes it good enough to play if you can play it well. For that matter, if there are a lot of limpers, I'll often raise with AX-suited on the big blind. The reason for this is that, you're upping the money for your suckout on the flush, and you're showing strength as if you have A-big, so it'll help you to chase out bigger aces if there is one on the flop. Remember, you only want drawing hands to call you here. Also, if you are holding AX-suited, and you are on a flush draw, you have 3 extra outs, since you could make your flush or you could hit your ace. If you can put somebody on top pair, miss your flush, but spike your ace, you can probably suck out a couple of bets when you raise the river and appear to be bluffing with a busted draw. But in general, AX-suited is a poor hand and it is something you have to be willing to throw away most of the time. | ||
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| Re: Playing A-x suited, Hatchet Harry, 17. Feb 2003 16:37 | ||
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| I like to play A-x suited similar to how I would play a small pair. If i'm in a game where I would play any small pair in EP then I would most likely be playin A-x suited. Similar to looking for a set with the small pair, I would be looking for 2 pair or 4 flush on the flop but I think the added posibility that the A will stand up makes it a viable play where you know the implied odds will be good. I think at the low limit games I play in which are regulary loose passive it a profitable hand. Regards HH | ||
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