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 What could i have done here?, BreadnButter, 13. Feb 2003 21:35 | ||
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| Ok heres the situation. Ten players at the table... and its a very loose passive 3/6 game. On this particular hand i am on the button. The player in the cutoff is BRAND SPANKIN NEW TO THE GAME OF POKER. He has been at the table for about three rounds and played every hand (of course) till the river (of course). He is so terrible that on this particular hand he decides (and announces as the cards are being delivered) that he will play BLIND. He receives his two cards and WITHOUT LOOKING he places a chips on them and is ready to see the flop. Weak passive kid (only about 19, bad player too) limps in UTG, loose passive old man raises in middle position (he would raise ANY two face cards, any ace, any pair... oh yeah FROM ANY POSITION) . Now its on the BLIND MORON in the cutoff, he almost FOLDS without looking at his cards, then he almost looks at his cards, BUT decides to stick to his original genius plan and CALLS WITHOUT LOOKING! Now i look at my cards and OH MY GOD i have RED ACES. And i RERAISE!!! The blinds fold. It gets capped (by the old man) and its 4 WAY ACTION. Kid, old man, MORON and me. (Anyone with any brains knows who wins this pot even at this point of the story... ) Ok the flop... K 7 2 RAINBOW (suits dont matter for this hand) Kid checks, old man bets, MORON CALLS, and i RAISE!!! Kid calls two bets cold, old man RERAISES , MORON CALLS IT, and i cap it!!! All call to see the turn. The turn... J ...so the board is K 7 2 J Kid checks, old man BETS, MORON CALLS, and I RAISE!!! Pretty aggressive but thats my style... i mean i know i have the Kid beat and the old man could really have anything but i got a pretty good read on him and figure its not KJ but more like KQ and hes trying to act really strong... oh and of course i have to like my chances against the RANDOM BLIND HAND. Anyway the kid folds (i knew that already), the old man looks worried now (probably figuring me for AA or KK) and he reluctantly calls, and the MORON CALLS BLIND!!! THE RIVER... harmless 9 ...so the board is K 7 2 J 9 Old man checks, MORON says " i better look at my cards now and see if i got anything" Watching his reaction, mannerisms and such he might as well just yelled "I HAVE THE NUTS!!!" But with a sheepish grin he (stupidly, in my opinion) CHECKS. And i CHECK. Old man shows KQ off (just as i suspected), I turn over the ACES and say "Okay lets see the winner over there (talking to MORON)!" He turned over his 10 8 off for the TURNED AND RIVERED PERFECT PERFECT STRAIGHT and i was SICK!!! I felt a sudden rush of blood to my head and felt my body temperature go up about 20 degrees. I never lost my temper or called him all the names that popped in my head (actually not many names came to mind, rather visions of me givin him a good backfist), I just got up and took a walk for about 5 minutes to clear my head. Any comments on the way i played the hand out, handled the situation, sympathy, anything is welcome. BreadnButter P.S. For those of you who think the nickname "MORON" is a little harsh replace it with "FISH". But in my defence (of the name calling), he really was stupid. He asked EVERYTIME what the bet was (its a structured 3/6 not that hard to follow eh?), and how much to him, and if it was checked to him then he asked what his options were. Not once, or some of the time... but EVERYTIME!!! we were getting like 10 hands an hour!!! (probably a bad estimate of the hands dealt per hour, but BELIEVE ME it was SLOW!!!!) | ||
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| Re: What could i have done here?, Nathaniel Brous, 13. Feb 2003 23:09 | ||
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| on 13. Feb 2003 21:35 BreadnButter wrote: <snip> >> Any comments on the way i played the hand out, handled the situation, sympathy, anything is welcome. BreadnButter You played the hand well. You handled the situation well (at least outwardly). You have my sympathies. Anything follows....I had a drunk friend in a home game do this on eight separate hands one night. He won the first seven. Here's the kicker. He bet/raised and/or capped each and every street. It literally got to the point we would stopped betting and just called him down with (soon to be worthless) temporary nuts. It sort of changed my whole outlook on poker. One of those bucking the tide things that L. W. Phillips mentions in his book. What could you have done here? Exactly what you did. - Nathaniel | ||
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| Re: What could i have done here?, stdioh, 14. Feb 2003 09:13 | ||
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| > You played the hand well. You handled the situation well (at least outwardly). You > have my sympathies. Anything follows....I had a drunk friend in a home game do this > on eight separate hands one night. He won the first seven. Here's the kicker. He > bet/raised and/or capped each and every street. It literally got to the point we > would stopped betting and just called him down with (soon to be worthless) temporary > nuts. It sort of changed my whole outlook on poker. One of those bucking the tide > things that L. W. Phillips mentions in his book. What could you have done here? > Exactly what you did. - Nathaniel I agree with these sentiments entirely. You played the hand just fine and it just so happens that a random hand beat you. There were a number of hands that would have beat you here...he could have a set, he could have hit a backdoor flush, he could have had other cards touch him. Hell, he could have pocket kings down there the whole time. The fact of the matter is that bad players sometimes get good cards. It's ok to give them total disrespect and play hard against them...they will pay you off in time. You just have to live with it when they fish out on you. I recently lost a huge multiway pot at 5-10 to a girl on her first day. I had pocket jacks and flopped top set with a club draw on board. She caught a backdoor flush to her 4c to win it...her cards were 45off and she cold called my raise with them...didn't have anything to play at all until the river flushed her and even then she wouldn't lay it down to my river bet. Yes, the single four of clubs. The thing is that bad beats happen an aweful lot and eventually everybody has heard just about everything. The situation you describe isn't that uncommon, just as the one I've described isn't either. These things happen. What is important is that you take a walk, talk to yourself a little, kick the air a couple of times, and then sit down in an emotionally neutral state. If you look for revenge on this fish you can get yourself in real trouble when he fishes out again or actually has you beat from the start. Fish get pocket aces just as often as pros. And they make a lot more straight flushes. | ||
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| Re: What could i have done here?, P. Liem, 14. Feb 2003 11:00 | ||
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| Yeah, I'd like to second some of the comments above. I think one can safely say that if you're playing well, you should expect lots of bad beats, and be happy when they happen, since the give you a indication that you're playing properly. You'll get paid in the end. Think of a casino. Everytime someone wins playing against the house, the house suffers a bad beat---the odds are always in their favor. How does the casino deal with it, well they give you a free drink, and tell you what a great gambler you are. So (although I actually think this is a little immoral) the thing to do with "moron" is to say, as sincerely as you can muster, "Wow, man, that was a great hand! You've got a real talent for this game. I'm not sure I want to stay, if you're sticking around, you're going to take all my money." Anything to keep him at the table and playing like a moron. Anyways, there's my two cents, P. | ||
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| Re: What could i have done here?, Dan Contreras, 14. Feb 2003 10:37 | ||
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| Couple comments: I understand this was a tough beat, but it would be easier to read the post without the multiple caps. Emphasis is more effective when used sparingly. Just a suggestion. I notice you called the old man who would raise with any two paints from any position 'loose passive'. I would tend to consider him loose and aggressive. His postflop play certainly tends to lean toward unwarranted aggression. He should have figured you for at least AK after you raised the flop. I suspect he was simply reacting to the guy playing his hand blind and trying to punish him and completely forgot to think about what you might have. Your hand pretty much plays itself, nothing real suprising there. Not much you can do when a random hand played blind beats you. I personally don't consider your turn raise unusually aggressive. Raising AA on the turn against one loose aggressive opponent and another doofus playing blind would be standard play in the situation you describe. You may want to make a note to do a better job of keeping your emotions in check. When someone is playing their hands blind, you should want to buy them a drink, not backfist them or think evil thoughts or what names to call them. It's good that you took a walk to cool off, but jeez I wouldn't want to miss many hands against the lineup you describe. I would have been as chummy and welcoming as I could to this guy. Anything I can do to keep him playing the way he is so I can get my chips back! I was playing in an 8/16 game this week with a couple really loose weak passive players. They were hitting river cards like mad (cracked my KK a couple times) and two other guys at the table were steaming and absolutely berating them for their poor play. I always wonder why people get mad when their opponents play bad. I like it a lot less when my opponents play good! Regarding your loose aggressive old man opponent. He raised with KQ behind a weak limper and ran into your AA on the button. His mistake was not playing KQ or raising the flop (opponents don't always have rockets). His mistake was not recognizing you for a strong hand when you correctly popped him at every opportunity. He might as well have been playing his hand blind also! Good luck, dc | ||
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| Re: What could i have done here?, Andrew Wells, 16. Feb 2003 15:40 | ||
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| Some people are lucky enough to be born without a brain. You could have offered to help him stack his checks, he probably hasn't much experience doing this. Seriously though, if it made your blood boil, the best thing to do is take a 15 minute walk when it's your turn to post the big blind. | ||
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| Re: What could i have done here?, Kevin, 16. Feb 2003 22:45 | ||
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| U played that hand perfect, in the long run u would make a lot of $ against the "Fish" but somtimes in the short run u get sucked out. I think tight aggressive is the best. | ||
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