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 how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, greensmoke, 10. Feb 2003 17:08 | ||
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| Im a very good player and this one player online can beat me everytime headsup cause he or she raises preflop every hand and keeps raising all the way through until i fold. How do I handle this and what can I do to take this fish out? Let me know. | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, Dan Contreras, 10. Feb 2003 18:14 | ||
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| Hi, First, you might want to stop thinking of this player as a fish. Fish tend to check and call and lay bad beats on you on the river. They play too many hands and they play them too passively. If the player is a maniac, you should be seeing what kind of hands they are playing from where. Are they drawing out on you or are they just playing better hands than you? Are they just advertising by jamming one or two trash hands, then playing solid hands and making the table pay him off? If he's doing that, he's not a fish or a maniac, he's just a good player and tread lightly around him until you gain some experience playing against him. If he is just jamming every hand, trash or not, then you should make him pay to do so. Preflop, just don't limp or call against a maniac, unless you are trying to trap him (try not to trap yourself or give cheap or free cards to the other players on the table in the process). Raise/reraise coming into the pot. If he is playing random hands, play hands that beat random hands! A player who automatically bets/raises on the flop has given you very important information. You can use that to your advantage when deciding whether to bet, raise, or checkraise. If the player is routinely raising with trash and the others on the table are relatively dull, sometimes you can bet into or raise this player to drive out better hands. Most of your opponents will not tolerate this for long and will start 3-betting, keep this in mind. Sometimes you just need to end up with the best hand at the end. If your maniacal opponent is betting every hand to the river, you are going to have to start tangling with him or calling him down, depending on the hands he is showing. If the player is simply playing tight and very aggressive, he should not be playing that many hands and staying out of his way should be relatively easy. It sounds in your post as if this is not the case, that your opponent is playing a lot of hands and raising every one of them. In that case, reraise! Get headsup or if your oppenents want to call along with weaker hands, fine. Be prepared to get rivered a lot (often everyone will have odds to stay in - you included), but also win some big pots. If your opponent is truly maniacal, make him show you (or someone else) a better hand. Good luck, learning to play against a maniacal opponent is one of the more difficult things to do, but once you have it, it's fairly easy. dc on 10. Feb 2003 17:08 greensmoke wrote: > Im a very good player and this one player online can beat me > everytime headsup cause he or she raises preflop every hand > and keeps raising all the way through until i fold. > > How do I handle this and what can I do to take this fish out? > > Let me know. | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, Mark, 10. Feb 2003 19:23 | ||
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| Hi I'm no pro or high limit player, but here are my 2 cents. Don ( the other respondant) is right for the game theory he presents. When heads-up at a table with this player ( i assume you are the only two at the table and he is betting/raising +90% of the time) be selective and aggressive with your hands. If he is acting after you, only play hands you can open raise with or don't mind calling an extra bet ( this can be alot of hands when heads-up). Mostly check-call the flop when you have a reasonable draw, overcards, or an ace. When heads up, high cards can win on their own, and so can bottom pair. When you actually make a hand, raise/check-raise the flop/turn if he will 3-bet. If he only calls your raise and then checks on the next round, you don't gain anything by raising. (of course, raise the river) So, if he backs off a little when you show aggression, just keep checking and calling - he'll bet your hands for you and probably get pissed off. The problem with this is he will occasionally draw to some miraculous hand and lay down a bad beat on you (but it won't be often) The problem here may be that when heads-up, you're playing too tight-passive. If this is the case, your opponent is playing correct agaisnt you. Try being a little more selective. You can give up alot of blinds, because with the way your opponent bets, you'll make at least 3 big bets (=4 big and 4 small blinds) when you have a hand. If you start beating him and/or he begins to tighten up, you can then loosen up a little and be more aggressive. You must respond to how he plays. The basic stradegy for dealing with super aggressive people is to check call. Hope that helps Mark > Im a very good player and this one player online can beat me > everytime headsup cause he or she raises preflop every hand > and keeps raising all the way through until i fold. > > How do I handle this and what can I do to take this fish out? > > Let me know. | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, Dan Contreras, 10. Feb 2003 19:51 | ||
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| Great response! My response assumed it was a full table game. My advice for you regarding going headsup against a player you can't figure out is: Don't play! On the other hand, if you can apply Mark's advice - take the guy down. I have talked with a few very sharp players who say they make loads of easy cash in low limit headsup games. Personally, I steer clear of headsup games because I have not really studied or worked on that aspect of the game yet. I am becoming more and more skilled at shorthanded play, but I've got a ways to go yet. Good luck! dc | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, Poker God, 10. Feb 2003 20:16 | ||
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| heres a good simple answer. play back at him. if he comes at you and you have decent holdings play back, dont just try to limp around. and if you dont have anything either bluff back at him for the pot or fold, simple as that. good luck in the future! | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, Big Frank, 11. Feb 2003 05:49 | ||
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| on 10. Feb 2003 17:08 greensmoke wrote: > Im a very good player and this one player online can beat me > everytime headsup cause he or she raises preflop every hand > and keeps raising all the way through until i fold. > > How do I handle this and what can I do to take this fish out? > > Let me know. My very simple response is that if what he is doing to you is working EVERY time, you are too predictable and not mixing it up enough. Throw in a raise, a check call, a check raise, a 3 bet. It will save you money in the long run, and for gods sake, stand up to the SOB or he'll run you down all evening. If onthe other hand you're laying down your hand because you think your beat, you are playing too many hands | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, Mark, 11. Feb 2003 07:33 | ||
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| > My very simple response is that if what he is doing to you is working EVERY time, > you are too predictable and not mixing it up enough. Throw in a raise, a check call, > a check raise, a 3 bet. It will save you money in the long run, and for gods sake, > stand up to the SOB or he'll run you down all evening. If onthe other hand you're > laying down your hand because you think your beat, you are playing too many hands Hi Frank I don't think you necessarily need to stand up to this player to beat him. If you do stand up to him (eg. re-raise, check raise) and he starts to tighten up, a terrible thing has happened, you forced him to play better. Now he may stop betting your hands for you, or even go as far as to fold when you re-raise. As Caro states, you'll make the most money by just checking and calling because you let your opponent hang himself. Mark | ||
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| Re: how do you handle headsup preflop bluffs?, TOM WAGGONER, 11. Feb 2003 21:12 | ||
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| My advice would be to check-call him alot with marginal hands, and raise and reraise with good ones. If you are playing this guy headsup, be prepared to play alot of hands. Marginal hands headsup are different than marginal hands in a ring game. You can't afford to fold too much headsup. | ||
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