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 Two pair with a suited flop, Joel, 30. Jan 2003 08:41 | ||
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| What is the proper way to play when you flop two pair (usually top two), but the flop is suited in Texas Holdem? | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, noiseboy, 30. Jan 2003 09:38 | ||
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| Hi there, I'm interested in this too, recently I was in a hand with AJ and the flop came up A-J-rag all of a different suit than my hand. I have top two pair but I was getting so much action, I ended up folding when another of that suit came. Two people made it to showdown and neither one had anything of that suit!!! I felt like an idiot, but for most sane games, it was probably the right thing to do since ANY diamond would have me beat. This is definitely a difficult situation to play. | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Joel, 30. Jan 2003 15:29 | ||
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| Yeah, That's why i asked the original question. It's hard to figure when you are probably winning on the flop, but another suited card sinks you unless you make a full house on the river. Not to mention the opposite senario of making the full House on the turn and the 4th suited card falling on the river. | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Terry O'Neill, 30. Jan 2003 15:39 | ||
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| I usually play this either of 2 ways. If I am up against real gamblers I will not bet. I will call a bet if one is made. If the turn card is then a different suit I will then bet all in to knock anyone off a flush draw. I'm hoping no one is holding two of that suit. Hopefully, no one on a flush draw will call an all in with one card to come. If I am up against players who gamble less, I will go all in on the flop. Hopefully they will fold there | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Noo Yawk, 30. Jan 2003 15:57 | ||
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| This situation is best determined by the type of players your up against, the action on the flop and the number of people in the pot. There are going to be times when you are up against players that typically represent a hand more times than what would be considered optimal. Against them I call the river everytime, as my expection against these players is on the positive side. Against tougher opponents, it gets trickier, and if you are not sure where you stand, call if the pot is large enough. If I fold winners in small pots, I generally sleep pretty well. It's folding the winners in big pots that get me! One little tell you can look for when the flop is suited, is players doing the old flush draw check when they look back at there cards. | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Joel, 30. Jan 2003 16:31 | ||
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| Thanks for the reply. I was curious about your flush draw check tell. Do you feel tha is reliable? I see alot of people do that to check if they have a single suited card as you said, but I also see people do it to verify that they just flopped a flush. Not to mention if they do check their hole cards they may find they don't have a flush draw. Just what is that tell supposed to reveal? | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Mano, 30. Jan 2003 16:39 | ||
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| The information that this tell usually gives is that the player doesn't already have the flush. Usually a player will remember if their cards were of a single suit, but will check if they were offsuit, so if they check you usually are against a flush draw at worst, not a made flush. | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Andrew Wells, 31. Jan 2003 07:09 | ||
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| Be careful, this is an old and well known tell. I see tricky players who will sometimes look back at their hole cards deliberately when the turn card makes the board three of a suit, and they made their flush. Curiously, I don't see this when it's the nut flush. | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, Mano, 30. Jan 2003 16:30 | ||
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| I think it depends heavily on your position and the game. I would try and do what I can to thin the field - if a bet will knock people out, then bet. If I am in early position, and aggressive late position player was pre-flop raiser I may try for a check raise to try and get it heads up. If already heads up, may try for check-raise on the turn (although this does risk giving a free card). I don't think this is a one size fits all situation. | ||
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| Re: Two pair with a suited flop, TOM WAGGONER, 31. Jan 2003 03:42 | ||
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| There is no proper way, the answer is "It depends," mainly on how many players are in. If just a few, I would play it fast. If more than a few, and you are in early position, a checkraise may help reduce the field when you have the goods. You need to try and find out where you are at, and make the flush drawers pay dearly. | ||
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