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 Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Mike Caro, 20. Jan 2003 13:25 | ||
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| I have decided no longer to post to the rec.gambling.poker Usenet newgroup for the time being, although at one time it was one of my favorite places to hang out. A friend brought to my attention that there is now a post under the topic "conversation with Mike Caro" on that newsgroup which I consider the most serious of more than 100 anonymous posts on this forum and that one bent on discrediting me and this forum. It alledges that a few months ago, I met with lesoremson@yahoo.com in the restaurant at Hollywood Park and asked him and others to spam RGP in an effort to discredit it. First, I have been in the Ozarks for almost six months, and I haven't been in Hollywood Park Casino for longer than that. . Second, I don't want to discredit RGP -- I want it to get better again, as anyone who knows me closely will testify. I expect to return there eventually, and I have many friends there. I did not meet with this person. The story is not just a perversion of what happened, as many other libelous posts have been -- no part of it happened at all. The poster and others risk prison time for that kind of campaign. It goes well beyond being just a civil matter in a court of law. If anyone of our family has access to that forum and chooses to bring this to RGP's attention, you have my permission to do so. I am only leaving a repeated message on RGP whenever anyone asks me to respond or makes a false allegation sufficient to normally warrant a reply. The message is that I'm no longer posting there. This was done not because of the attacks -- although I was growing quite weary of the small number of Internet abusers who had found them to be apparently entertaining -- but because people were forging my signature to posts I wasn't making and it had become difficult for casual users to know when it was actually me and when it wasn't. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Dynasty, 20. Jan 2003 16:23 | ||
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| Your constant fighting with Ramashiva and company on RGP has made you look ridiculous. You are just compounding the error with this type of post. The people on RGP attacking you had no credibility to start with. But, when you respond to them and participate in any type of dialogue, you draw attention to them and make some people believe they may be credible. At the same time, you damage your own reputation by legitmizing their comments with a response. | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, William Coleman, 20. Jan 2003 16:47 | ||
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| I have no credibility on RGP, Dynasty??? Are you serious??? Why don't you tell your friends here on UPF what happens whenever you or your buddy Clarkmeister post on RGP? You are laughed off the newsgroup as immature urchins pretending to be poker experts. I showed this conclusively in my very first posts on 2+2, when I got involved in a thread with you and Clarkmeister on strategy changes for $4/$8 holdem with $1/$2 blinds. Of course the censorious Mason Malmuth has since deleted these posts, but I still have the evidence of the total ignorance of poker theory you and Clarkmeister displayed in that thread. As far as my credibility on RGP, Mike responds to me precisely because I do have credibility on RGP, despite the best efforts of the poker industry attack dogs to discredit me. I have had posting exchanges with Doyle Brunson, Lee Munzer, and many other respected RGP posters. I have received email and expressions of support from many other RGP posters. For you to trot out this industry propaganda that I am a troll with no credibility just shows how gullible and uninformed you are. on 20. Jan 2003 16:23 Dynasty wrote: > Your constant fighting with Ramashiva and company on RGP has made you look > ridiculous. You are just compounding the error with this type of post. > > The people on RGP attacking you had no credibility to start with. But, when you > respond to them and participate in any type of dialogue, you draw attention to them > and make some people believe they may be credible. At the same time, you damage your > own reputation by legitmizing their comments with a response. > William Coleman (ramashiva) | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Mike Caro, 20. Jan 2003 18:25 | ||
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| Hi, William -- We're requesting that all posts here be friendly and respectful of others who have joined this forum in good failth. Please structure your responses that way in the future. That goes for everyone. Thanks. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, William Coleman, 20. Jan 2003 19:16 | ||
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| Hi Mike -- I do not understand why you are trying to run this forum like a Sunday School Class, but that is your prerogative. Thanks for letting my reply to Dynasty stay up. I am sure that you agree that I am entitled to some leeway in responding to a poster who says I have no credibility on RGP. I was also glad to see you admonished Dynasty to refrain from making such obvious flame-baiting posts. I am not sure I can post on your forum with such "niceness" restrictions. If I do decide to post here any more, I will try to clean up my act. You really should give me some leeway, so your readers can get some flavor of what a real RGP poster is like. I am sorry you have been having problems with aggressive trolls and identity spoofers. I do not condone or sanction such activities in any way, except, of course, with respect to 2+2, on whom I have declared a holy war. I also apologize for subjecting you to my ramashiva flames on RGP. I know you are a gentle soul and have no stomach for such verbal pyrotechnics. As Doyle Brunson said in a post, I am like an apache attack helicopter -- when I am done flaming someone, there is nothing left. I want you to understand that there is no personal animosity between us, as far as I am concerned. We are on opposite sides of important issues in the poker industry, and RGP is a combat arena. I am not going to try to embarrass you by trying to debate our disagreements on UPF. Just as professional wrestlers scream insults in each other's faces on camera, then get stoned and party together off-camera, I am pretty sure we would hit it off if we ever met in person. As a person, I have always liked you, and I will admit to learning a lot from your writings when I was learning to play poker. So I will at least concede that you are an expert in teaching beginning poker players. I and many other RGP members hope you can get all these problems straightened out and return to RGP at the earliest possible date. on 20. Jan 2003 18:25 Mike Caro wrote: > Hi, William -- > > We're requesting that all posts here be friendly and respectful of others who have joined this > forum in good failth. Please structure your responses that way in the future. > > That goes for everyone. Thanks. > > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro William Coleman (ramashiva) | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Mike Caro, 20. Jan 2003 20:33 | ||
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| Hi, William -- Thanks for your intelligent and well-crafted reply. I fully understand that you have adopted a belligerent, provocative, and sometimes vulgar persona on RGP and that I have not been your only target. I know that isn't you. However, it still causes anguish and we will need to stick with our guidelines without much leeway here, because this is intended as a faraway land where I'm happy and others can come without stress. I hope you understand my position on that, even though you may not agree with it. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Mike Caro, 20. Jan 2003 18:30 | ||
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| on 20. Jan 2003 16:23 Dynasty wrote: > Your constant fighting with Ramashiva and company on RGP has made you look > ridiculous. You are just compounding the error with this type of post. > > The people on RGP attacking you had no credibility to start with. But, when you > respond to them and participate in any type of dialogue, you draw attention to them > and make some people believe they may be credible. At the same time, you damage your > own reputation by legitmizing their comments with a response. Dynasty -- I think your viewpoint is wise as general advise, but please don't attack anyone on this forum, even if you feel strongly about it. I know your intentions are good, but I just don't want to an open invitation for flame wars. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, john a, 20. Jan 2003 18:11 | ||
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| i went thru the entire thread on rgp "a conversation with Mike Caro". i saw no mention of my name in that thread as Mike stated below. (lol-we definitely never had a meeting anywhere anytime) on 20. Jan 2003 13:25 Mike Caro wrote: > I have decided no longer to post to the rec.gambling.poker Usenet newgroup for > the time being, although at one time it was one of my favorite places to hang > out. > > A friend brought to my attention that there is now a post under the topic > "conversation with Mike Caro" on that newsgroup which I consider the most > serious of more than 100 anonymous posts on this forum and that one bent on > discrediting me and this forum. It alledges that a few months ago, I met with > [ See my original, corrected post -- it wasn't John ] in the restaurant at Hollywood Park and asked him and others to > spam RGP in an effort to discredit it. > > First, I have been in the Ozarks for almost six months, and I haven't been in > Hollywood Park Casino for longer than that. . Second, I don't want to discredit > RGP -- I want it to get better again, as anyone who knows me closely will > testify. I expect to return there eventually, and I have many friends there. > > I did not meet with this person. The story is not just a perversion of what > happened, as many other libelous posts have been -- no part of it happened at > all. > > The poster and others risk prison time for that kind of campaign. It goes well > beyond being just a civil matter in a court of law. > > If anyone of our family has access to that forum and chooses to bring this to > RGP's attention, you have my permission to do so. > > I am only leaving a repeated message on RGP whenever anyone asks me to respond > or makes a false allegation sufficient to normally warrant a reply. The message > is that I'm no longer posting there. This was done not because of the attacks -- > although I was growing quite weary of the small number of Internet abusers who > had found them to be apparently entertaining -- but because people were forging > my signature to posts I wasn't making and it had become difficult for casual > users to know when it was actually me and when it wasn't. > > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Mike Caro, 20. Jan 2003 18:20 | ||
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| on 20. Jan 2003 18:11 john a wrote: > i went thru the entire thread on rgp "a conversation with Mike Caro". i saw no > mention of my name in that thread as Mike stated below. (lol-we definitely never > had a meeting anywhere anytime) Hi, John -- I'm at a loss to explain it. I copied the e-mail address of the poster, but apparently got yours instead. No explanation comes to mind. In any case, you're right. We didn't meet. I corrected my original posts. I'm very grateful that you brought this to my attention. Thanks, John. We appreciate your presence here. And, of course, I apologize. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Bob, 21. Jan 2003 13:33 | ||
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| I think Dynasty has a valid point though Mike about giving credibility to certain people via your posting on RGP. Your automated responses to RGP posts directed to or at you offend me. I feel if you are going to desert RGP then you should do so with out any response what ever. That is just one mans opinion. Personally I am in favor of a moderated RGP and have stated so. I have tried to mend my ways there too. Hoping to conquer by example...well I am an optomist. | ||
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| Re: Mike Caro clarification about RGP, Bob, 21. Jan 2003 13:33 | ||
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| I think Dynasty has a valid point though Mike about giving credibility to certain people via your posting on RGP. Your automated responses to RGP posts directed to or at you offend me. I feel if you are going to desert RGP then you should do so with out any response what ever. That is just one mans opinion. Personally I am in favor of a moderated RGP and have stated so. I have tried to mend my ways there too. Hoping to conquer by example...well I am an optomist. | ||
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| somewhat OT: post signatures - possible solution, Jerry Snitselaar, 22. Jan 2003 22:21 | ||
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| Hi Mike and everyone else, I was reading this post and thought of a possible solution to be used in regards to people identity spoofing on rpg. I haven't tried it yet myself, but I think it should be possible to sign messages for usenet using public key cryptography. PGP integrates with outlook and allows signing of email, so I imagine it works for usenet postings as well. Just a thought for anyone at all on the forum who has or is running into this type of problem. The perpatrator will have a very hard time spoofing your signature, and any message w/o one can be considered as not a legitimate post by the author. | ||
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| Re: somewhat OT: post signatures - possible solution, Mike Caro, 22. Jan 2003 23:19 | ||
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| Good idea, Jerry. I also thought of posting validation numbers on a secure website. If the number you look up there matches the one in the FIRST message posted with that number, it's real. Your solution -- if workable -- is more elegant, though. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: somewhat OT: post signatures - possible solution, Jerry Snitselaar, 23. Jan 2003 00:03 | ||
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| yep, it works. The free version of pgp doesnt do it though, had to grab a personal license. | ||
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