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 How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Mike Caro, 17. Jan 2003 12:54 | ||
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| You hold A-8 and raise from the small-blindposition before the flop and are called by the big blind. Flop is 7-7-7. You both check this time (although you would often bet in this situation). Turn card is a final 7, making the board 7-7-7-7. You think about betting (which is a very reasonable option), but decide to check. Your opponent bets. What would you do? In what ways, if any, would it depend on the type of opponent? Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Big Frank, 17. Jan 2003 13:19 | ||
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| Mike, I'll bite. The obvious answer to me is bang him back because you're locked. The only consideration on the type of player he is is if he is a passive player, banking him back may get him to fold, where you MIGHT get an extra bet on the river if you called him on the turn and let him bet the river after you checked. So, how wrong am I? | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Mike Caro, 17. Jan 2003 13:38 | ||
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| on 17. Jan 2003 13:19 Big Frank wrote (in part): > So, how wrong am I? Hi, Big Frank -- We appreciate your thoughts on UPF. It's not a matter of right or wrong. And let's wait to see what others have to say -- or what additonally you might have to say if you get time to think about it some more. Straight Flushes, Mike Caro | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Dynasty, 17. Jan 2003 14:13 | ||
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| Given the way the hand has been played, it's a mistake to raise the turn after your opponent bets. If he has any sense at all, he'll fold any hand which doesn't have an Ace. It's best to call the turn and bet the river. Free cards aren't dangerous if you are ahead because there are only three Aces left in the deck to split this small pot. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, noiseboy, 17. Jan 2003 14:10 | ||
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| Well, if the opponent is aggressive, my guess would be that you have just induced a bluff by checking and should raise him as punishment. If he doesn't have an Ace, then just calling gives him an opportunity to catch up. If he does have an Ace, you're just going to split anyway, or am I missing something? I'm sorta new to hold'em, so I could be way off. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Dynasty, 17. Jan 2003 14:15 | ||
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| You don't want to punish opponents for mistakes. That will give them an incentive not to make mistakes in the future. You want to play in a manner which encourages mistakes. Since the pot is small, you shouldn't be worried about an Ace coming on the river to split the pot. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, noiseboy, 17. Jan 2003 14:35 | ||
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| hmm, maybe you're right about going for the overcall on the river. However, my assumption (which may not be correct) was that he was an aggressive player, and since he might think you are on a steal, he might even call a raise, though perhaps not. With a more passive opponent, just calling is probably right, hoping for the call on the river. One last thing, I'm just not really sure a passive player would bet unless they had an Ace, so my guess was either a)passive player with an Ace, or b) aggressive player trying to steal, not really sure if this is correct, but just what my intuition would tell me. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, dvbwill, 17. Jan 2003 14:44 | ||
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| I would imagine the answer would have something to do with the rake. If the rake has already "maxed" out, I would either raise now or ck-raise the river; if the rake hasn't been maxed out on this small of a pot it might be best to check-call the hand out. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, joe, 17. Jan 2003 16:17 | ||
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| I think the best way to play the hand is to make a "crying" call . Lead your opponent on and try for the extra bet on the river if he bets check raise him. The pot is small now but you could get 5 more bets in there. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, whiskeytown, 17. Jan 2003 18:32 | ||
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| I can't tell you what I'd wanna do, but I can tell you what I'd probably do, based on what I've read out of poker books.... there is a general understanding....esp. with someone like Salansky and Malmuth, where if you're playing a player heads up, and he's loose and wild, where you would just call...a checkraise would just provoke him to tighten up and play tougher against you...same goes for someone who holds grudges... to get someone to blindly bet into you time and time again...hell...it MIGHT be worth it to even muck...hardly even 5 bets in that pot...how many river bets will you get out of him if you muck and he turns up a bluff? - whereas if he's loose-aggressive and you check-raise him, he MAY tighten up...at least against you.. I know...against the grain...but to maximize one bet on one hand vs. a looser player for the next hour or two....wonder if it would be worth it... just my 0.02 RB ---------------- I'm like a wino with a twenty dollar bill, forever and eternally yours. - Bill Mallonee | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, nonameplayer, 18. Jan 2003 13:02 | ||
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| Mike, not being the genius u r, I have to live(and Play) by certain AXIUMS. 1 being : dont play Ace blank; ie 6,7,8, However If I found my self in that position I would bet to make him think I had the nuts. Then when the 4th 7 came I would bet because I had the nuts. and hope he raised! | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, XJ, 18. Jan 2003 18:05 | ||
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| I'm only an amateur, but here's my thinking: If he's an agressive or loose player - He's betting to you with a K or a Q in his hand, with the hope you'll fold out - so you re-raise. His agression and momentum will hopefully cause him to call you, you could even hope for a raise. If you call on the turn, however, it's going to be him first to play on the river - if he bets, you raise, he'll probably fold - you've only got the single bet from the turn and the single bet from the river profit. If you raise on the turn and he calls you, then it's you up first for the river, and if you feign weakness or indecisiveness with a bet, he might call you - for the max. possible profit of two bets on the turn and one on the river. If he's a tight, or nervous seeming player, you call him slowly - a reraise is going to knock him out. then it'll be him up first on the river, if he thought you were thinking about the turn for a long time, he might bet again. Spent a little while thinking about this, be interested to know if I'm on track with that thinking, or talking roullette.. err.. crap. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Tha Kid, 18. Jan 2003 21:37 | ||
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| I believe the best play here is to call. If you have a loose player as your opponent, you definitely don't want to awaken him with a sandbag on the Turn. Especially when the pot doesn't appear to be that large. Hopefully, a large river card will appear (that's not an A). If you then bet, your opponent might just think you're trying to bully him out of a split pot on the River. And, if he holds something higher than the river, you may get into a very profitable raising war. Of course, I'm just a beginner in terms of public poker games (though a well read one), so what do I know. Kid | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, -t, 19. Jan 2003 08:37 | ||
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| on 17. Jan 2003 12:54 Mike Caro wrote: > You hold A-8 and raise from the small-blindposition before the flop and are > called by the big blind. > > Flop is 7-7-7. You both check this time (although you would often bet in this > situation). > > Turn card is a final 7, making the board 7-7-7-7. > > You think about betting (which is a very reasonable option), but decide to > check. Your opponent bets. > > What would you do? In what ways, if any, would it depend on the type of > opponent? > > Straight Flushes, > Mike Caro if we are heads up and it is a raked game I have at worst a equitable split ( unless my opponent has that elusive 5th 7) I just flat call and see the river then bet out . ( I think there is a certain profit from winning a hand which you dont have to show down. But this profit is generally less than a percentage type rake). However if it is a time game and i am heads up I might raise here and bet out on the river hope fully being called by a K . tHE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BEING because less of the big blinds money (my hands equity) goes down the shoot and more into my stack in the case of a tie or an A falls on the river in the time game . | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, TOM WAGGONER, 20. Jan 2003 18:31 | ||
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| I would call the turn bet, and bet in too him on the river. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Trey, 20. Jan 2003 20:46 | ||
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| I would be inclined to call and bet the river. If you raise a bluffer, unless he is a maniac, he likely will fold. A call and then a bet leaves an the bb unclear where you are and would induce calls from many hands which would fold to a raise. If the player is an absolute rock, he it is possible in a rake game to merely check call the river. I do think the question of whether the game is time or rake is impt. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Nathaniel Brous, 20. Jan 2003 22:07 | ||
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| I think that in this situation, I would always raise the turn. You are either up against the bluff (non Ace) or the tie. The tie is a wash so scrap it. The bluffer is the key, and what he/she is bluffing with. To count on the bluffer to continue betting and/or call and pay you off on the river is not something I would do. Perhaps I give them too much credit, but I doubt it. The extra money made here will be made against the habitual bluffers. They frequently bluff and expect you to do the same. Holding a king, they will pay off your raise and river bet also. I don't see making additional money by check/calling the turn. Besides, by doing that you give all the "give it one shot," bluffers back their money if they river the Ace. Moral-freecard (your point of view) is bad here. - Nathaniel Brous | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Lice_Aber, 22. Jan 2003 14:50 | ||
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| Outta all the options given here Nate.. your's is IMO the best. I agree with your post to the letter. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, Keith, 21. Jan 2003 09:39 | ||
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| I would reraise to the end. I want him to fold if he is bluffing since the river may turn an A and you end up splitting the pot. | ||
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| Re: How would you play this hold 'em hand?, BreadnButter, 30. Jan 2003 22:19 | ||
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| I would call the turn and come out betting on the river. | ||
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