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 When a bad run lasts a long time?, Kevin T, 18. Dec 2002 11:54 | ||
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| I have been playing poker for 3 years about 20-25 hours a week and this will be my third winning year. I play limit hold'em 2-4 through 10-20 online and live. Over the last 6 months or so, I have hit a wall. I won't go into details, but all the things that happen when running bad just won't stop. I have tightened up but still find myself missing an incredible amount of draws and getting outdrawn on nearly every occasion. In the past, this kind of thing would happen and last from a few days to a few weeks, then I would run good again. But now I just can't turn it around. I am not losing, but have been flat for 6 months. I have been rereading poker books looking for something I may be doing or not doing. I know I make mistakes and am constantly trying to improve my game. I have just found the last 6 months to be the height of frustration. I am open to all comments or suggestions. Thanks. | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, Andrew Wells, 18. Dec 2002 12:34 | ||
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| Try going on the road for a week. This way you'll be playing against strangers who at least won't know you're running bad. You will also have the advantage of them not knowing your moves. If you're within 500 miles of another card room (and can do it), this might just be the tonic you need. The alternative is to take some time off, a week or two if possible just to get focused again. | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, Jerome, 18. Dec 2002 16:04 | ||
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| Try my book... poker players for dummies and losers, that'll sure get you out of your rut. jErOmE | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, Jacob, 18. Dec 2002 18:20 | ||
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| examine your game in my experience bad streaks comes from bad play...either because I think I'm kingkong cause of a lot of winnings or because of domestic problems NEVER play when your girlfriend told you to fuck off. My best advice must be take a break return and play your best game the deal will be different but then again who knows maybe your on a years curse or something BAD KARMA :-) yet my advice would be the same except don't return. | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, Taurus, 19. Dec 2002 09:40 | ||
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| Believe me, we all know what you're talking about - however, I'm a little confused - you say you've been running bad but you're not losing????? How's that possible? Thanks and hope things turn around for you - my experience that it eventually does - though it may take a while. | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, Kevin J, 21. Dec 2002 20:17 | ||
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| A winning player expects to win. So even running flat is running bad. | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, Kevin T, 19. Dec 2002 10:17 | ||
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| Taurus, I am about even for the last 6 months. This is the only 6 month period, including my first 6 months, where I have not been able to make anything. The biggest difference to me has been all the pockets that get cracked and the missed draws. I'm sure there are other problems with my play as well. It just seems like the "running bad" events just keep on hitting me. It has become ordinary for me to get rivered 3 in straight hands or have 2nd nut vs nut hand a couple times a session. It happens in the B&M also. Leaving early has become a routine. It seems like the game is so easy when running normal, but when the 11-1 shots beat you at a 2-1 clip, it becomes tough. | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, DoublePlay, 19. Dec 2002 10:54 | ||
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| Kevin, I had roughly the same experiences -- my flopped two pair were getting beat by trips that my opponent hit on the River, and an 'underpair" at that. A straight gets beat by a flush, the nut flush by a full house. Usually all on the River. I know the popular notion is that you should be able to consistently beat the game you are playing, but you might try moving up levels. I was having a hugely bad run at 6-12 and then I moved up to 15-30 and had 8 extremely winning sessions in a row. I credit 2 things for this: 1) I started going to a different casino (the closer casino only has 20-40, no 15-30) and was new to many of the players. 2) A raise in 6-12 on the turn is $24 and it's $60 in 15-30, obviously. I found this is a big emotional difference. If the odds aren't good, most players won't make the bet--the game plays more like "true poker". Also, I found the larger games are a bit more passive (I'm sure I'll get some debate about this) and a bit more respectful: A raise in $15-30 under the gun generally won't get called by someone holding 2-7 offsuit. As you know, in 6-12 the small blind will usually call even if he/she only has out 1 chip, because "I gotta see the flop, I've already got money out on the table". Good players will get "sucked out" more by poor players because good players play better starting hands and play them better than those who don't know what they are doing. You won't hit many of your longshots because you're not playing that many longshots! Good luck, Shawn | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, jim grass, 19. Dec 2002 16:07 | ||
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| Quite simply i prepared myself for this occurance by investing time in becoming proficient in what i call my backup game.. For me its just comon sense jim on 19. Dec 2002 10:54 DoublePlay wrote: > Kevin, > > I had roughly the same experiences -- my flopped two pair were getting beat by trips > that my opponent hit on the River, and an 'underpair" at that. A straight gets beat > by a flush, the nut flush by a full house. Usually all on the River. I know the > popular notion is that you should be able to consistently beat the game you are > playing, but you might try moving up levels. I was having a hugely bad run at 6-12 > and then I moved up to 15-30 and had 8 extremely winning sessions in a row. I credit > 2 things for this: 1) I started going to a different casino (the closer casino only > has 20-40, no 15-30) and was new to many of the players. 2) A raise in 6-12 on the > turn is $24 and it's $60 in 15-30, obviously. I found this is a big emotional > difference. If the odds aren't good, most players won't make the bet--the game plays > more like "true poker". Also, I found the larger games are a bit more passive (I'm > sure I'll get some debate about this) and a bit more respectful: A raise in $15-30 > under the gun generally won't get called by someone holding 2-7 offsuit. As you know, > in 6-12 the small blind will usually call even if he/she only has out 1 chip, because > "I gotta see the flop, I've already got money out on the table". Good players will > get "sucked out" more by poor players because good players play better starting hands > and play them better than those who don't know what they are doing. You won't hit > many of your longshots because you're not playing that many longshots! > > Good luck, > > Shawn | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, jon seal, 19. Dec 2002 23:43 | ||
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| Freshen up your all round poker play by switching games to a low limit say Omaha or 7 card stud game This makes yopu think about poker basics a bit more and will keep you sharp when you return to your main Hold-em game. Bad runs happen and you have to play through them , also if you were having a good run before but thought that was normal then what appears to be a bad run now might in fact just be a normal or slightly off run | ||
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| Re: When a bad run lasts a long time?, tuchdown, 27. Dec 2002 10:57 | ||
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| Keven I have the sure fire solution to your doldrums. Its a secret that I devuldge only on a need to know basis. If you contact @ fcnewton@comporium.net I will impart to you this valuble information. | ||
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